Discussion:
Happy New Year!!! Wishes, and comments to people who know me
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Wojo
2005-01-02 09:25:49 UTC
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For those of you who have been around less than three years, if you
dare to read this long post, expect not to understand it. It's for
those who will.

****
It's now January 2nd and I've had a lot of time to come up with a
virtual SK sized book of words to post on the subject of the New Year.
Instead I'll try to keep it short, but I suspect I'll fail in that.

I don't expect to post here much, if at all, in the near future, but,
even before ANYWHERE else, I thought I would post a resolution here.

First of all: My most important New Year's Resolution is to quit
smoking. Even today I've reduced my intake to a third what it was
yesterday, having smoked barely a pack of my embarrassingly usual 3
packs a day.

That, of course, has no bearing nor any interest to anyone here.

The other resolution, which I've told nobody about yet, is to try to
be...err...nicer? It's taken a few situations to recognize this fault
of mine, and nicer is definitely a direction I need to go.

I have had, for several years, ongoing conflicts with numerous people
here and elsewhere. I RESOLVE to end them. Here and now. I forgive
them their indiscretions, and I hope they'll forgive me mine, as I
know how I can be. I know I'm most certainly not above holding a
grudge, but I promise to be above it, at least in these cases, and
will try to be in all others.

There are probably a lot of people I need to ask forgiveness from, but
I'm going to list the few that come to mind first:

Tracy: I have held a single opinion you once had regarding the value
of a person's life when they wanted to die against you for several
years now. Every time you speak, that "Jump Bitch" thing seems to
come to the top of the conversation if I'm involved, in fact I've
mistreated several people mistaking them for you since the original
thread some 3 or 4 years ago. I apologize sincerely for making it
seem as though your opinion on that single subject are more important
than your opinions on others, and I promise to never bring it up
again, if I should ever speak to you again, as this type of thing
actually goes against the majority of beliefs I hold. I will never
mention it again outside of this conversation, and I most certainly
will never mention it again in the way I have too many times in the
past mentioned it...as though it mattered or bared at all on the
discussion at hand. I was...ABSOLUTELY...wrong. I'm sorry. If the
opportunity to make it up presents itself I will jump on it full
steam. I truly disrespect myself for this.

Cat: This is probably the most difficult paragraph I've ever written,
and I haven't even begun it yet. It's not like me to preface the
unwritten like that, but I truly don't know what I'm about to say,
however I'd like to make it honest, at least, regardless. I really
and truly feel you wronged me, I feel you betrayed my friendship with
you. I think you decided because I didn't like a decision you made,
or a statement you made, that this eliminated YEARS of
friendship...that's wrong, in my opinion, that simplifies the
friendship that felt so real to me. However I ALSO think I wronged
YOU, and betrayed YOU. I don't think you're strong enough,
individually, to ever be my REAL friend again, but I do apologize for
using that fact against you, I attacked you personally and harshly as
though I would never let up, and that was absolutely wrong. I promise
never to make history an issue again if I'm ever lucky enough to have
contact with you once more. You're a truly remarkable person that I
simply seem to not see eye to eye with anymore, but that doesn't
eliminate my love or respect for you. I do miss you.

And yes I realize how bad that sounds, but I can't just come out and
say "I was wrong and you were right" when I don't feel that's the
truth. I do, however, hope that Cat can see past the public politics
and recognize what I'm saying and realize that I *do* care for her.

Janet: We have had so many conversations in the past 4 years that I
don't know where to begin. I have begun conversations with you that I
didn't know how to end, and I have not responded to honest comments
you have made, because, more than any other person I might speak to on
this group, you scare me incredibly, for reasons you and the one other
person likely to read this thread might alone understand. Thank you
for being a wonderful person, and I'm so very sorry for any and every
pain I've ever caused you. And I hope you realize that nothing I've
ever said to you or about you was anything less than truthful, even if
I've never truly understood it myself. I expect I never WILL
understand it, but I KNOW I'll understand Me...And I thank you for
that, at the very least.

I resolve not to give you any miscues this year...I will put far more
thought into my words so that you'll never doubt my meaning. You're
the only person I expect a return resolution from, however: I expect
you to be brutally honest with me as well, if our friendship is to
continue. I hope it does, though. But you do need more words. :)

BTW: Happy New Year to you too...I think I forgot to respond to that
bit. :)

Sharon: I don't even know if you read this group anymore. I don't
owe you an apology for a lack of response because, more than anyone in
the world that I don't "see" on a regular basis, I talk to you. As
rare as it seems I do it, it's true. I trust, love, and adore you
above anyone and everyone with the exception of my bride, so,
therefore, rather than apologize to you and resolve something, I
simply have resolved to thank you for being my friend for so fucking
long. You rank so highly that nobody that ever comes toward you in a
way that I feel is untoward will ever leave unscathed. I love you
beyond all measure. Happy New Year, love, and I plan to wish you as
many more as I am alive to do so. You'll never know how important you
are to me, and I can only hope to return the favor.

Dara: Again...I don't know if you read here anymore, but I hope you
have the best year of your life in 2005, and I hope to
renew...everything...soon. I could go on for about 50 paragraphs, but
I think I must be nearing that mark by now as it is.

Mel: You know I remember you, if you still exist. You certainly do
forever, in my heart.

Lily...man...we had some talks...some times. I've spoken to your
husband and I believe...I MUST believe you're happy. I really love
you...I hope you're good...I miss you.

Icy: Yeah...I think you're WELL worth mentioning even if I'm the only
one in the world still on Usenet who remembers you for who you are.
Maybe by mentioning you I'll get lucky and you'll contact me. I have
an entire freezer full of creamisckle pies that I've been saving for
you for years. I will NEVER forget you, even though I know I'm one of
only a few people who ever appreciated you...I really, really did.

David Hendrix: I still truly respect you, and hope to talk to you
again someday.

Duncan: I know you'll read this, and I left you for last on purpose.
Thank you for being civil with me when I didn't necessarily deserve
it. Our friendship has had a lot of pitfalls over quite a lot more
years than most people here might comprehend, but I RESOLVE to you, as
the last resolution I will make this year, and it's no resolution at
all, simply a statement I expect you to accept and hope that you will,
I will do my very best to be your friend again this year....I think we
are very much of a similar nature regardless of the things we've had
to deal with on opposite sides of the fence. I hope you feel that way
too..

I'm the same man I've always been. Better, in fact, in my opinion,
than I've ever been. I know I don't always seem that way but your
point of view DOES matter to me, and I respect you a great deal.

In fact that goes for a lot of people that are going to read this
post. If you don't respond thank you, at least, for listening. :)

The long and short of it is this, AUG, I will not spend 2005 being the
person who, when posting to your group, is the inflamer. I've been
there many times in the past, but that was either intentional or, to
me, inconceivable...or...I must admit...it seems...jealousy.

However, in all the years I've been speaking my mind I've never felt
a mind so melded to my own as is this group. Even if I am no longer a
part of it it's terribly painful to feel unwelcome here and I've
nobody to blame but myself, so I resolve to become welcome, if rarely,
once again to alt.underground. I don't know if I'll post here, but I'd
like to, definitely.

Wojo








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Sharon
2005-01-02 10:57:18 UTC
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Post by Wojo
Sharon: I don't even know if you read this group anymore. I don't
owe you an apology for a lack of response because, more than anyone in
the world that I don't "see" on a regular basis, I talk to you. As
rare as it seems I do it, it's true. I trust, love, and adore you
above anyone and everyone with the exception of my bride, so,
therefore, rather than apologize to you and resolve something, I
simply have resolved to thank you for being my friend for so fucking
long. You rank so highly that nobody that ever comes toward you in a
way that I feel is untoward will ever leave unscathed. I love you
beyond all measure. Happy New Year, love, and I plan to wish you as
many more as I am alive to do so. You'll never know how important you
are to me, and I can only hope to return the favor.
Oh I read here alright, I even post on occasion.
I hope you know you are more eloquent up there than I can ever be and
that everything you said up there is returned to you tenfold. You're my
best friend for petes sake... and I know no matter how depressing that
sounds you understand why thats such a big thing.
My life, My love, my FRIEND.

sharon
Wojo
2005-01-03 07:33:00 UTC
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Post by Sharon
Post by Wojo
Sharon: I don't even know if you read this group anymore. I don't
owe you an apology for a lack of response because, more than anyone in
the world that I don't "see" on a regular basis, I talk to you. As
rare as it seems I do it, it's true. I trust, love, and adore you
above anyone and everyone with the exception of my bride, so,
therefore, rather than apologize to you and resolve something, I
simply have resolved to thank you for being my friend for so fucking
long. You rank so highly that nobody that ever comes toward you in a
way that I feel is untoward will ever leave unscathed. I love you
beyond all measure. Happy New Year, love, and I plan to wish you as
many more as I am alive to do so. You'll never know how important you
are to me, and I can only hope to return the favor.
Oh I read here alright, I even post on occasion.
As I've said so many times today...I WOULDN'T KNOW!

I *haven't* read here. :)
Post by Sharon
I hope you know you are more eloquent up there than I can ever be and
that everything you said up there is returned to you tenfold. You're my
best friend for petes sake... and I know no matter how depressing that
sounds you understand why thats such a big thing.
You have no idea how much I understand...and...err...sympathize. <g>

Yeah...uhh...me too.

Hey! Look! A big dog! Being eaten by a really small cat! How
interesting! See how he gnaws?
Post by Sharon
My life, My love, my FRIEND.
Yes. And all that. :)

Wojo
Of the full of life and loves Wojos

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http://www.wojo.da.ru
Sharon
2005-01-03 11:36:53 UTC
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Post by Wojo
Hey! Look! A big dog! Being eaten by a really small cat! How
interesting! See how he gnaws?
WHOA!!!
Hold on a minute that dog looks like a badger to me

sharon
Bitch ;)
Wojo
2005-01-05 04:09:41 UTC
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Post by Sharon
Post by Wojo
Hey! Look! A big dog! Being eaten by a really small cat! How
interesting! See how he gnaws?
WHOA!!!
Hold on a minute that dog looks like a badger to me
Badgers don't scare me.

Wojo
Marsupials do. They're FAST.

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Sharon
2005-01-05 09:17:27 UTC
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Post by Wojo
Badgers don't scare me.
Even ones that go 'GRRRRR!!!!' I saw a documentary on honey badgers the
other day and boy are thos elilttle dudes mean, one even scared off a
leopard (which was like three times his size!)

sharon
likes mustelids
Wojo
2005-01-06 05:05:42 UTC
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Post by Sharon
Post by Wojo
Badgers don't scare me.
Even ones that go 'GRRRRR!!!!' I saw a documentary on honey badgers the
other day and boy are thos elilttle dudes mean, one even scared off a
leopard (which was like three times his size!)
http://www.netstate.com/states/intro/wi_intro.htm

To be afraid of badgers would be to disown my home state. :)

Wojo

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http://www.wojo.da.ru
Lone Funman
2005-01-02 12:58:23 UTC
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Post by Wojo
However, in all the years I've been speaking my mind I've never felt
a mind so melded to my own as is this group. Even if I am no longer a
part of it it's terribly painful to feel unwelcome here and I've
nobody to blame but myself, so I resolve to become welcome, if rarely,
once again to alt.underground. I don't know if I'll post here, but I'd
like to, definitely.
Hey ,W -- don't worry.
In your absence you were truly missed by the ladies of this group.

Sometimes <g>

&y

(sirandy at luukku dot com)
--
You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in
a year of conversation.
Wojo
2005-01-03 07:43:27 UTC
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Post by Lone Funman
Post by Wojo
However, in all the years I've been speaking my mind I've never felt
a mind so melded to my own as is this group. Even if I am no longer a
part of it it's terribly painful to feel unwelcome here and I've
nobody to blame but myself, so I resolve to become welcome, if rarely,
once again to alt.underground. I don't know if I'll post here, but I'd
like to, definitely.
Hey ,W -- don't worry.
What, me, worry? Have you seen the size of my ears?

(I expect one in fifty people to get that...if you get it...say
it...and I'll give you a billion virtual dollars.) (Note the fact
that I used "virtual" in that statement, because it is the form of
dollar I have the most of). (Hey! You over there! Here's a Billion
Virtual dollars!!!) See how easy I can give away this virtual money?

But, still, I bet nobody knows what I meant in the first sentence.
I'm such a sad, sad person.

Oh...get me some tea. Or a beer. If you lack either I probably am
best suited to that straight jacket you have laying in the back of the
closet you have locked with far too many deadbolts. Believe me...you
installed the locks for the likes of me.
Post by Lone Funman
In your absence you were truly missed by the ladies of this group.
You know...I'd like to think my enormous and famous penis wasn't a
factor. But I guess you can't get past some things. :( I want to be
loved for me, not simply because of my infamous girth. :(
Post by Lone Funman
Sometimes <g>
It's true. There are some women here who have survived 21 inches. I
can't compete with that. I just do the best with what God gave me.
Thanks for pointing out that I'm only *almost* good enough though.
You're a real friend ampersand guy!
Post by Lone Funman
&y
(sirandy at luukku dot com)
--
You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in
a year of conversation.
That's so very true!!! Especially if you're winning. If you're
losing the things you learn are better left forgotten.

Wojo

--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Lone Funman
2005-01-03 14:15:45 UTC
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Post by Wojo
Oh...get me some tea. Or a beer.
Tea manages, but if you'd prefer Vodka to beer, that's freely available,
too.
Post by Wojo
You know...I'd like to think my enormous and famous penis wasn't a
factor.
Attachable, hm ;-)

*Weighted* mine t'other day, in sleeping condition <g>
Not worth mentioning the results.

&y, shutting up now.

(sirandy at luukku dot com)
--
The secret of getting ahead is getting started.
Wojo
2005-01-05 04:14:09 UTC
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Post by Lone Funman
Post by Wojo
Oh...get me some tea. Or a beer.
Tea manages, but if you'd prefer Vodka to beer, that's freely available,
too.
Ouch. I don't like Vodka. But if it's free...err...OUCH. Uhhh.

I thought Latka was pretty cool on Taxi, didn't you?
Post by Lone Funman
Post by Wojo
You know...I'd like to think my enormous and famous penis wasn't a
factor.
Attachable, hm ;-)
No. DEtachable, if you have a sharp knife and enormous Stugots.
Post by Lone Funman
*Weighted* mine t'other day, in sleeping condition <g>
Not worth mentioning the results.
I would think not. In sleeping condition they tend to lay very low,
thus needing enormously short scales.
Post by Lone Funman
&y, shutting up now.
(sirandy at luukku dot com)
--
The secret of getting ahead is getting started.
Yes. Try it. ;)

Wojo

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Lone Funman
2005-01-05 17:42:26 UTC
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I thought Latka was pretty cool on Taxi, didn't you?
Jimmy-boy was cool in the movie just the other night.
We haven't seen the 'real thing', aka my namesake, here.
Too pompous for even our commercial channels <g>

&y

(sirandy at luukku dot com)
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What happens to an 18 hour bra after 18 hours?
Marco
2005-01-04 10:14:20 UTC
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Post by Wojo
Post by Lone Funman
Hey ,W -- don't worry.
What, me, worry? Have you seen the size of my ears?
(I expect one in fifty people to get that...if you get it...say
it...and I'll give you a billion virtual dollars.)
[CUT]

Waitin' for the money.
:-D

Marco
Wojo
2005-01-05 04:14:50 UTC
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Post by Marco
Post by Wojo
What, me, worry? Have you seen the size of my ears?
(I expect one in fifty people to get that...if you get it...say
it...and I'll give you a billion virtual dollars.)
[CUT]
Waitin' for the money.
:-D
Here, I'll just give it to you now.

<cha-ching>

Enjoy your virtual wealth.

Wojo

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http://www.wojo.da.ru
Marco
2005-01-05 11:39:13 UTC
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Post by Marco
Post by Wojo
I'll give you a billion virtual dollars.)
Waitin' for the money.
Here, I'll just give it to you now.
MONEY!
Post by Wojo
<cha-ching>
HEY, that's a LOT of it!
Post by Wojo
Enjoy your virtual wealth.
Thank you, Ken!
Let me buy you a virtual beer!
Here you are.
And let's play a virtual game of pool (I'll even let you win - as if I
could beat you at pool in real life).

Marco
Wojo
2005-01-06 05:07:51 UTC
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Post by Marco
Post by Wojo
Post by Marco
Post by Wojo
I'll give you a billion virtual dollars.)
Waitin' for the money.
Here, I'll just give it to you now.
MONEY!
Post by Wojo
<cha-ching>
HEY, that's a LOT of it!
Post by Wojo
Enjoy your virtual wealth.
Thank you, Ken!
Let me buy you a virtual beer!
Here you are.
And let's play a virtual game of pool (I'll even let you win - as if I
could beat you at pool in real life).
As if I could give you a billion of virtually anything in real life...

Wojo

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http://www.wojo.da.ru
Marco
2005-01-06 08:26:17 UTC
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Post by Marco
Post by Wojo
Post by Marco
Post by Wojo
I'll give you a billion virtual dollars.)
Waitin' for the money.
Here, I'll just give it to you now.
MONEY!
HEY, that's a LOT of it!
Post by Wojo
Enjoy your virtual wealth.
Thank you, Ken!
Let me buy you a virtual beer!
Here you are.
And let's play a virtual game of pool (I'll even let you win - as if I
could beat you at pool in real life).
As if I could give you a billion of virtually anything in real
life...

Points at snooker. Sure you could.

Marco
Tracy
2005-01-02 18:54:45 UTC
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"Wojo" wrote ...
Post by Wojo
For those of you who have been around less than three years, if you
dare to read this long post, expect not to understand it. It's for
those who will.
****
It's now January 2nd and I've had a lot of time to come up with a
virtual SK sized book of words to post on the subject of the New Year.
Instead I'll try to keep it short, but I suspect I'll fail in that.
I don't expect to post here much, if at all, in the near future, but,
even before ANYWHERE else, I thought I would post a resolution here.
First of all: My most important New Year's Resolution is to quit
smoking. Even today I've reduced my intake to a third what it was
yesterday, having smoked barely a pack of my embarrassingly usual 3
packs a day.
Good for you. If at first you don't succeed and all that.
Post by Wojo
That, of course, has no bearing nor any interest to anyone here.
The other resolution, which I've told nobody about yet, is to try to
be...err...nicer? It's taken a few situations to recognize this fault
of mine, and nicer is definitely a direction I need to go.
Glad to hear it. It must have been a humdinger to get you to this
point but I know you have it in you.
Post by Wojo
I have had, for several years, ongoing conflicts with numerous people
here and elsewhere. I RESOLVE to end them. Here and now. I forgive
them their indiscretions, and I hope they'll forgive me mine, as I
know how I can be. I know I'm most certainly not above holding a
grudge, but I promise to be above it, at least in these cases, and
will try to be in all others.
There are probably a lot of people I need to ask forgiveness from, but
Tracy: I have held a single opinion you once had regarding the value
of a person's life when they wanted to die against you for several
years now. Every time you speak, that "Jump Bitch" thing seems to
come to the top of the conversation if I'm involved, in fact I've
mistreated several people mistaking them for you since the original
thread some 3 or 4 years ago. I apologize sincerely for making it
seem as though your opinion on that single subject are more important
than your opinions on others, and I promise to never bring it up
again, if I should ever speak to you again, as this type of thing
actually goes against the majority of beliefs I hold. I will never
mention it again outside of this conversation, and I most certainly
will never mention it again in the way I have too many times in the
past mentioned it...as though it mattered or bared at all on the
discussion at hand. I was...ABSOLUTELY...wrong. I'm sorry. If the
opportunity to make it up presents itself I will jump on it full
steam. I truly disrespect myself for this.
Thanks Ken. I think you know that I not one to hold a grudge, especially
in light of what seems to be a sincere apology. Doesn't necessarily mean
that all will be forgotten, but it is a good start.
Post by Wojo
snip
I also remember fondly and miss Icy and Mel and David and the rest
who no longer come here.
Post by Wojo
The long and short of it is this, AUG, I will not spend 2005 being the
person who, when posting to your group, is the inflamer. I've been
there many times in the past, but that was either intentional or, to
me, inconceivable...or...I must admit...it seems...jealousy.
However, in all the years I've been speaking my mind I've never felt
a mind so melded to my own as is this group. Even if I am no longer a
part of it it's terribly painful to feel unwelcome here and I've
nobody to blame but myself, so I resolve to become welcome, if rarely,
once again to alt.underground. I don't know if I'll post here, but I'd
like to, definitely.
Wojo
I would expect it will take a while. Lots of feelings have been hurt
and won't mend overnight. I also know that you (the *old* you ;-)
are missed by many.

Tracy
Wojo
2005-01-03 08:16:51 UTC
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Post by Wojo
First of all: My most important New Year's Resolution is to quit
smoking. Even today I've reduced my intake to a third what it was
yesterday, having smoked barely a pack of my embarrassingly usual 3
packs a day.
Good for you. If at first you don't succeed and all that.
I didn't. I tried on November 19th, 1999. I failed so miserably I
started smoking tobacco plants directly without filters, paper, or any
other publicly available paraphernalia in order to really and truly
suck that habit into my lungs as thoroughly as possible. I so love
really crappy habits that I must beat myself senseless to stop
partaking in them. :) Fortunately, this time, I have these paper
wrapped things available down the street and I think I can kick them
more easily than those stupid growing green bastards. I don't know if
you noticed, but they have lawyers growing out of them. That's so
scary that the most scary clown in the world runs screaming into the
night.
Post by Tracy
Post by Wojo
That, of course, has no bearing nor any interest to anyone here.
The other resolution, which I've told nobody about yet, is to try to
be...err...nicer? It's taken a few situations to recognize this fault
of mine, and nicer is definitely a direction I need to go.
Glad to hear it. It must have been a humdinger to get you to this
point but I know you have it in you.
Do you really?

The humdinger was Bud Light. :)

The FACT, however, remains clear.

I didn't have a revelation <sic> <stop hitting me> but simply a
feeling that I have been wrong. I regret that. :)
Post by Tracy
Post by Wojo
I have had, for several years, ongoing conflicts with numerous people
here and elsewhere. I RESOLVE to end them. Here and now. I forgive
them their indiscretions, and I hope they'll forgive me mine, as I
know how I can be. I know I'm most certainly not above holding a
grudge, but I promise to be above it, at least in these cases, and
will try to be in all others.
There are probably a lot of people I need to ask forgiveness from, but
Tracy: I have held a single opinion you once had regarding the value
of a person's life when they wanted to die against you for several
years now. Every time you speak, that "Jump Bitch" thing seems to
come to the top of the conversation if I'm involved, in fact I've
mistreated several people mistaking them for you since the original
thread some 3 or 4 years ago. I apologize sincerely for making it
seem as though your opinion on that single subject are more important
than your opinions on others, and I promise to never bring it up
again, if I should ever speak to you again, as this type of thing
actually goes against the majority of beliefs I hold. I will never
mention it again outside of this conversation, and I most certainly
will never mention it again in the way I have too many times in the
past mentioned it...as though it mattered or bared at all on the
discussion at hand. I was...ABSOLUTELY...wrong. I'm sorry. If the
opportunity to make it up presents itself I will jump on it full
steam. I truly disrespect myself for this.
Thanks Ken. I think you know that I not one to hold a grudge, especially
in light of what seems to be a sincere apology. Doesn't necessarily mean
that all will be forgotten, but it is a good start.
Actually, I don't know that. However the reason I don't know it is
that, at this point, after having accused so many people of being the
person I had so much disdain for, I fear that "Tracy" might not be the
person I was talking to to begin with. Are you "TracyN"? Are you the
person who pissed me off so badly? Or are you the other Tracy that I
have felt horrible about attacking ever since that day?

Ugh.

Regardless...I forgive all the Tracy's of the world and, more
importantly, apologize to all of them...Tracy's aren't bad
people....really. Tracy's can be good. I beg a Tracy to be good so I
can get out of this situation. Tickle me Tracy...any tracy. If you
don't tickle me I will scream and email like crazy until I know which
Tracy I hit FAR too hard. :)

The other Tracy is the one I held a grudge against too long, and she
also has to be a part of this, but at this point, deciding which Tracy
is which has become so painful that I think it would be easier to
simply officially name "Tracy" as a subculture worthy of equal rights
because you seem, at the very least, human. <g> Tracy sucks really
good and bad at the same time. Tracy is so awesome...yet I've no idea
who Tracy is. The good Tracy's good...I'll assume, from now on that
all Tracy's are good. :)
Post by Tracy
Post by Wojo
snip
I also remember fondly and miss Icy and Mel and David and the rest
who no longer come here.
Post by Wojo
The long and short of it is this, AUG, I will not spend 2005 being the
person who, when posting to your group, is the inflamer. I've been
there many times in the past, but that was either intentional or, to
me, inconceivable...or...I must admit...it seems...jealousy.
However, in all the years I've been speaking my mind I've never felt
a mind so melded to my own as is this group. Even if I am no longer a
part of it it's terribly painful to feel unwelcome here and I've
nobody to blame but myself, so I resolve to become welcome, if rarely,
once again to alt.underground. I don't know if I'll post here, but I'd
like to, definitely.
Wojo
I would expect it will take a while. Lots of feelings have been hurt
and won't mend overnight. I also know that you (the *old* you ;-)
are missed by many.
Particularly by about a million Tracy's. I'm so confused. Oh, help
me Jesus, if you exist, oh, Tracy, Virgin Mother of
God...Oh...wait..that was Mary...I'm so confused. Why is Tracy bad
again? And why is Tracy good? And why can't I decide which Tracy to
be wary about, nor which to pray to?

The easiest solution is to just bring in a new and really bitchy
Tracy. Stop the Tracycide!!! Stop TracyGate! End this parody before
it stops being interesting even to its' author!!

Oh...and TracyN...to avoid turning sincerity into comedy...I meant
you. :)

If the Tracy that responded isn't TracyN, than I apologize for
pretending I cared about your opinions. ;)

Wojo
Of the which direction is that I'm pointing in Wojos
--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Tracy
2005-01-03 14:18:46 UTC
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"Wojo" wrote ...
Post by Wojo
Post by Tracy
Post by Wojo
First of all: My most important New Year's Resolution is to quit
smoking. Even today I've reduced my intake to a third what it was
yesterday, having smoked barely a pack of my embarrassingly usual 3
packs a day.
Good for you. If at first you don't succeed and all that.
I didn't. I tried on November 19th, 1999. I failed so miserably I
started smoking tobacco plants directly without filters, paper, or any
other publicly available paraphernalia in order to really and truly
suck that habit into my lungs as thoroughly as possible. I so love
really crappy habits that I must beat myself senseless to stop
partaking in them. :) Fortunately, this time, I have these paper
wrapped things available down the street and I think I can kick them
more easily than those stupid growing green bastards. I don't know if
you noticed, but they have lawyers growing out of them. That's so
scary that the most scary clown in the world runs screaming into the
night.
I take drugs for that now. Much better than smoking. Been off the
suckers for almost 2 years now.
Post by Wojo
Post by Tracy
I would expect it will take a while. Lots of feelings have been hurt
and won't mend overnight. I also know that you (the *old* you ;-)
are missed by many.
Particularly by about a million Tracy's. I'm so confused. Oh, help
me Jesus, if you exist, oh, Tracy, Virgin Mother of
God...Oh...wait..that was Mary...I'm so confused. Why is Tracy bad
again? And why is Tracy good? And why can't I decide which Tracy to
be wary about, nor which to pray to?
There once was a lady named Tracy
With a split personality, some say
Was she good? Was she bad?
Did she make Wojo mad?
With an N on her name she was racey.

Tracy
--of the that's the best I can do in the morning Tracys
Wojo
2005-01-05 04:20:19 UTC
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Post by Wojo
I can kick them
Post by Wojo
more easily than those stupid growing green bastards. I don't know if
you noticed, but they have lawyers growing out of them. That's so
scary that the most scary clown in the world runs screaming into the
night.
I take drugs for that now. Much better than smoking. Been off the
suckers for almost 2 years now.
Have you ever noticed how snipping at just the right spot and in just
the right frame of mind can be amazingly hilarious? No? You need
some more anti-clown medication! Or do you take a separate pill for
the clowns and the stupid growing green bastards and the lawyers? You
need more pills.
Post by Wojo
Post by Wojo
Post by Tracy
I would expect it will take a while. Lots of feelings have been hurt
and won't mend overnight. I also know that you (the *old* you ;-)
are missed by many.
Particularly by about a million Tracy's. I'm so confused. Oh, help
me Jesus, if you exist, oh, Tracy, Virgin Mother of
God...Oh...wait..that was Mary...I'm so confused. Why is Tracy bad
again? And why is Tracy good? And why can't I decide which Tracy to
be wary about, nor which to pray to?
There once was a lady named Tracy
With a split personality, some say
Was she good? Was she bad?
Did she make Wojo mad?
With an N on her name she was racey.
You're trying to tempt me into writing a limerick that is actually a
limerick, aren't you? Scott's here and everything...it could get
interesting!!!

Ugh...maybe later.
Post by Wojo
Tracy
--of the that's the best I can do in the morning Tracys
Hey...better than me...you tried and you sucked...the only reason my
limerick beat yours was that I didn't write one....THIS time. ;)

Wojo
There once was a man named Ken
Who said fuck it.

--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Thunderchief
2005-01-02 18:58:57 UTC
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There I was, minding my own business, when Wojo said...
Post by Wojo
Duncan: I know you'll read this, and I left you for last on purpose.
Thank you for being civil with me when I didn't necessarily deserve
it.
Oh, no, amigo. What *I* should have been was civil to start with instead
of...well...you remember that , I'm sure...
Post by Wojo
Our friendship has had a lot of pitfalls over quite a lot more
years than most people here might comprehend, but I RESOLVE to you, as
the last resolution I will make this year, and it's no resolution at
all, simply a statement I expect you to accept and hope that you will,
I will do my very best to be your friend again this year....I think we
are very much of a similar nature regardless of the things we've had
to deal with on opposite sides of the fence. I hope you feel that way
too..
Absolutely. And I look forward to it. :-)
Post by Wojo
I'm the same man I've always been. Better, in fact, in my opinion,
than I've ever been. I know I don't always seem that way but your
point of view DOES matter to me, and I respect you a great deal.
In fact that goes for a lot of people that are going to read this
post. If you don't respond thank you, at least, for listening. :)
The long and short of it is this, AUG, I will not spend 2005 being the
person who, when posting to your group, is the inflamer. I've been
there many times in the past, but that was either intentional or, to
me, inconceivable...or...I must admit...it seems...jealousy.
However, in all the years I've been speaking my mind I've never felt
a mind so melded to my own as is this group. Even if I am no longer a
part of it it's terribly painful to feel unwelcome here and I've
nobody to blame but myself, so I resolve to become welcome, if rarely,
once again to alt.underground. I don't know if I'll post here, but I'd
like to, definitely.
Wojo
Dude...you *know* where we are :-)

Duncan
Susie
2005-01-03 03:19:32 UTC
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Post by Thunderchief
There I was, minding my own business, when Wojo said...
Post by Wojo
Duncan: I know you'll read this, and I left you for last on purpose.
Thank you for being civil with me when I didn't necessarily deserve
it.
Oh, no, amigo. What *I* should have been was civil to start with instead
of...well...you remember that , I'm sure...
:-)
Post by Thunderchief
Post by Wojo
Our friendship has had a lot of pitfalls over quite a lot more
years than most people here might comprehend, but I RESOLVE to you, as
the last resolution I will make this year, and it's no resolution at
all, simply a statement I expect you to accept and hope that you will,
I will do my very best to be your friend again this year....I think we
are very much of a similar nature regardless of the things we've had
to deal with on opposite sides of the fence. I hope you feel that way
too..
Absolutely. And I look forward to it. :-)
:-))
Post by Thunderchief
Post by Wojo
Wojo
Dude...you *know* where we are :-)
He does, don't he. ;-)
Post by Thunderchief
Duncan
Suse
Wojo
2005-01-03 08:24:21 UTC
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Post by Susie
Post by Thunderchief
Wojo
Dude...you *know* where we are :-)
He does, don't he. ;-)
Somewhere on Google, aren't you? With all the alt and underground
stuff I might be able to find y'all. Help me!!! ;)

Wojo

--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Susie
2005-01-04 01:16:27 UTC
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Post by Wojo
Post by Susie
Post by Thunderchief
Wojo
Dude...you *know* where we are :-)
He does, don't he. ;-)
Somewhere on Google, aren't you? With all the alt and underground
stuff I might be able to find y'all. Help me!!! ;)
Take my hand and I will lead you home. ;-)
Post by Wojo
Wojo
Suse
Tracy
2005-01-04 01:50:07 UTC
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"Susie" wrote ...
"Wojo" wrote om...
Post by Wojo
Post by Susie
Post by Thunderchief
Wojo
Dude...you *know* where we are :-)
He does, don't he. ;-)
Somewhere on Google, aren't you? With all the alt and underground
stuff I might be able to find y'all. Help me!!! ;)
Take my hand and I will lead you home. ;-)
Yes. Go into the light Wojo, go into the light.

TracyN
Susie
2005-01-05 02:38:07 UTC
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Post by Tracy
Post by Susie
Take my hand and I will lead you home. ;-)
Yes. Go into the light Wojo, go into the light.
HeeeHeHeehehe...

We could lead him places, don't you think?
Post by Tracy
TracyN
S
Wojo
2005-01-05 04:23:32 UTC
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Post by Tracy
Yes. Go into the light Wojo, go into the light.
Did you see how fast those dining room chairs stacked behind you just
during the time it took you to type that???

Wojo

--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Lone Funman
2005-01-04 06:57:12 UTC
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Post by Susie
Take my hand and I will lead you home. ;-)
Thought I already took your hand ;-)

&y

(sirandy at luukku dot com)
--
The secret of getting ahead is getting started.
Wojo
2005-01-05 04:23:00 UTC
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Post by Susie
Post by Wojo
Post by Susie
Post by Thunderchief
Dude...you *know* where we are :-)
He does, don't he. ;-)
Somewhere on Google, aren't you? With all the alt and underground
stuff I might be able to find y'all. Help me!!! ;)
Take my hand and I will lead you home. ;-)
Do you have, like, a keyboard layover or something, so I can find your
hand? Because I didn't get a manual and, well, I'm a little
intimidated by this.

Wojo

--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Wojo
2005-01-03 08:23:01 UTC
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Post by Thunderchief
Post by Wojo
Duncan: I know you'll read this, and I left you for last on purpose.
Thank you for being civil with me when I didn't necessarily deserve
it.
Oh, no, amigo. What *I* should have been was civil to start with instead
of...well...you remember that , I'm sure...
Yes...as a matter of fact I have a class action suit against the
bastard who said "action" before he should have. You English and your
movies, I tell you!
Post by Thunderchief
Post by Wojo
I think we are very much of a similar nature regardless of the things we've had
to deal with on opposite sides of the fence. I hope you feel that way
too..
Absolutely. And I look forward to it. :-)
That seems to be a guarantee, Duncan. :)
Post by Thunderchief
I don't know if I'll post here, but I'd like to, definitely.
Post by Wojo
Wojo
Dude...you *know* where we are :-)
True, that...now I just have to decide whether it's worth it. I'm
sure you understand. :)

Wojo

--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Thunderchief
2005-01-03 15:21:33 UTC
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There I was, minding my own business, when Wojo said...
Post by Wojo
Post by Thunderchief
Post by Wojo
Duncan: I know you'll read this, and I left you for last on
purpose.
Thank you for being civil with me when I didn't necessarily deserve
it.
Oh, no, amigo. What *I* should have been was civil to start with
instead of...well...you remember that , I'm sure...
Yes...as a matter of fact I have a class action suit against the
bastard who said "action" before he should have. You English and your
movies, I tell you!
Chah! No spaceships, no fast cars, no gunfights....yeah... ;-)
Post by Wojo
Post by Thunderchief
Post by Wojo
I think we are very much of a similar nature regardless of the
things we've had to deal with on opposite sides of the fence. I
hope you feel that way
too..
Absolutely. And I look forward to it. :-)
That seems to be a guarantee, Duncan. :)
Oh yeah! No doubt about it.

Say....does this mean I have to put you back in the gallery now? ;-)
Post by Wojo
Post by Thunderchief
I don't know if I'll post here, but I'd like to, definitely.
Post by Wojo
Wojo
Dude...you *know* where we are :-)
True, that...now I just have to decide whether it's worth it. I'm
sure you understand. :)
Yes. I believe I do. <nods>
Post by Wojo
Wojo
Duncan
Wojo
2005-01-05 04:29:08 UTC
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Post by Thunderchief
Post by Wojo
Post by Thunderchief
Absolutely. And I look forward to it. :-)
That seems to be a guarantee, Duncan. :)
Oh yeah! No doubt about it.
Say....does this mean I have to put you back in the gallery now? ;-)
I'm not in the GALLERY??? YOU SON OF A...

...oh...wait.

Umm...nah.

It's like pulling teeth to get me to post pictures of me on MY OWN
sites. :)

Wojo

--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Thunderchief
2005-01-05 09:35:50 UTC
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Post by Wojo
Post by Thunderchief
Post by Wojo
Post by Thunderchief
Absolutely. And I look forward to it. :-)
That seems to be a guarantee, Duncan. :)
Oh yeah! No doubt about it.
Say....does this mean I have to put you back in the gallery now? ;-)
I'm not in the GALLERY??? YOU SON OF A...
...oh...wait.
Umm...nah.
It's like pulling teeth to get me to post pictures of me on MY OWN
sites. :)
I got the pages all ready to go, too!
Post by Wojo
Wojo
Duncan
Wojo
2005-01-06 05:10:11 UTC
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Post by Thunderchief
Post by Wojo
I'm not in the GALLERY??? YOU SON OF A...
...oh...wait.
Umm...nah.
It's like pulling teeth to get me to post pictures of me on MY OWN
sites. :)
I got the pages all ready to go, too!
It's a plural now????

Wojo
Of the holy-shit there are a lot of people Wojos

--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Thunderchief
2005-01-06 10:22:21 UTC
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Post by Wojo
Post by Thunderchief
Post by Wojo
I'm not in the GALLERY??? YOU SON OF A...
...oh...wait.
Umm...nah.
It's like pulling teeth to get me to post pictures of me on MY OWN
sites. :)
I got the pages all ready to go, too!
It's a plural now????
Well...theres the index page and then the 'wojo' page....thats kinda plural
in there being more than one ;-)
Post by Wojo
Wojo
Of the holy-shit there are a lot of people Wojos
I'll post it up tonight.

Duncan
Wojo
2005-01-05 04:27:45 UTC
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Post by Thunderchief
Oh, no, amigo. What *I* should have been was civil to start with instead
of...well...you remember that , I'm sure...
ARGH!!!!!

Caught in the act!!!

I just responded to this post three minutes ago!

That means I'm responding to the same post twice!

Which means people can figure out that I already read it once before!

Err...but in my defense...I CLEARLY didn't remember doing so.

Wojo
He obviously wasn't in complete control of his own faculties, mr.
judge, sir. There should prolly be a law regarding that as a defense,
doncha think?

--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Sharon
2005-01-05 09:32:25 UTC
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wojo.....wasn't in complete control of his own faculties,
AHEM.
I'll take this as a complete and utter appology for the other week then,
shall I? ;)

sharon
Wojo
2005-01-06 05:11:16 UTC
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Post by Sharon
wojo.....wasn't in complete control of his own faculties,
AHEM.
I'll take this as a complete and utter appology for the other week then,
shall I? ;)
What? Apologize for YOUR misunderstanding? NEVAH!

Wojo
--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Sharon
2005-01-06 09:26:59 UTC
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Post by Wojo
Post by Sharon
wojo.....wasn't in complete control of his own faculties,
AHEM.
I'll take this as a complete and utter appology for the other week then,
shall I? ;)
What? Apologize for YOUR misunderstanding? NEVAH!
Excsqueeze me? I think you'll find you were crying because I said you
werent in full control as you'd been drinking and it was late.. and and and
...this above proves I was right!!!!


sharon
of the "so there!" sharons
Wojo
2005-01-07 05:24:30 UTC
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Post by Sharon
Post by Wojo
Post by Sharon
AHEM.
I'll take this as a complete and utter appology for the other week then,
shall I? ;)
What? Apologize for YOUR misunderstanding? NEVAH!
Excsqueeze me? I think you'll find you were crying because I said you
werent in full control as you'd been drinking and it was late.. and and and
...this above proves I was right!!!!
Errr...no. I was "crying" (as you so lovingly put it) because you
seemed to be claiming that the post in which I admitted I had been
drinking was a result of my drinking, even though I later soberly said
I still stood by it. My problem lied with your defense of me as
though I was wrong to begin with because of the hour of the post,
which, non-drunk, I didn't feel I was. Therefore you were wrong.
Post by Sharon
sharon
of the "so there!" sharons
Yes, you keep pointing and I'll pull that finger, I know that's what
you want.

Wojo

--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Sharon
2005-01-07 10:07:09 UTC
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Post by Wojo
My problem lied with your defense of me as
though I was wrong to begin with because of the hour of the post,
which, non-drunk, I didn't feel I was. Therefore you were wrong.
Nu-uh. You just didnt like me saying you that you were driving on all
cylinders ;)

sharon
Wojo
2005-01-05 04:21:45 UTC
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Post by Thunderchief
Post by Wojo
Duncan: I know you'll read this, and I left you for last on purpose.
Thank you for being civil with me when I didn't necessarily deserve
it.
Oh, no, amigo. What *I* should have been was civil to start with instead
of...well...you remember that , I'm sure...
You know...if you start putting multiple parentheses around your
sentences I'm really going to get worried.

I'm glad we're finally cool again, man.

Wojo
--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Missy
2005-01-03 00:23:50 UTC
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Wojo,

That was a great way to start reading this year. I know I wasn't mentioned,
and that you and I haven't had much of a relationship of any type on the
group, but you are married to one of the best people I've ever been blessed
to meet, so I'm going to throw my 2 cents in here. Feel free to stop
reading now. <G>

First of all, best wishes on quitting smoking. I've seen my
parents/friends/co-workers do this, and it takes a lot of will and a lot of
heart to do this. I'm hoping it goes well for you.

Seeing your resolution makes me so happy. I've never known how to react to
you - at times you seem like the person I know you *must* be, for Kate to
have fallen in love with and married you. Those times I enjoy reading your
posts, and giggling at your unique view of the world. The rest of the time?
Honestly, I would cringe seeing your name on a header. You were mean, and
insensitive and, to me, it looked like you only showed up to take pot-shots
at people.

I will be looking forward to seeing any posts that you make in the future.
You're an interesting man, and I would very much like to get to know you on
here, before I come North, because - quite frankly - you scare the
pee-waddly out of me. <G>

Oh, and if you *have* read this far, please give your wonderful bride a hug
and a kiss from me. She's an amazing woman...

Missy
back into her lair now...
Wojo
2005-01-03 14:27:58 UTC
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Post by Missy
Wojo,
Missy. :)
Post by Missy
That was a great way to start reading this year. I know I wasn't mentioned,
and that you and I haven't had much of a relationship of any type on the
group, but you are married to one of the best people I've ever been blessed
to meet, so I'm going to throw my 2 cents in here. Feel free to stop
reading now. <G>
I'm not going to stop, but I am going to bring up something that has
been "jokingly" mentioned a few too many times now. And this has
absolutely no bearing on your above paragraph, but the paragraph has
simply prompted me to respond to something that needs to be addressed.

I didn't mention many people. I could now list about a zillion people
whom I didn't address that DIDN'T have an impact upon my departure.

Those of you who've emailed me and told me you noted you weren't
mentioned in the post...I can only say I'm sorry...this post wasn't
about giving props. And it wasn't about you. I barely gave props to
anyone other than Sharon who, in my opinion, DESERVES them far more
than anyone who is reading this. :) (If you don't know why that is,
you probably should simply skip this paragraph and get on to the
humble-Wojo bits...that's why you're here anyway...ignore the bits
you're too shallow to understand, which are forthcoming)

I once adapted a song for AUG trying to give props or making mention
of every person I knew here, and I got a gazillion emails of people
I'd not mentioned then too.

I sent this post because I feel, strongly, that my lack of acceptance
in AUG is due to a few fuck ups on my part, not due to a lack of
ability to keep up with friends. That lack of ability is another
discussion all-together, and well worthy of mention, but not with
regard to this thread. I have failed in a lot of ways, and this group
is only the least of them.

I'm very glad that something I wrote started 2005 out in a positive
way for you, Missy...at the very least you deserve that...and at the
very most you deserve more than any text I could ever post to your
screen could ever provide. You've been through, emotionally, more
than anyone I've eve met.

And thank you for what you said about my wife...she is truly
awesome...and I am more lucky than even you, who clearly recognizes
her, could possibly imagine. I don't deserve her, but I have her
anyway. :)
Post by Missy
First of all, best wishes on quitting smoking. I've seen my
parents/friends/co-workers do this, and it takes a lot of will and a lot of
heart to do this. I'm hoping it goes well for you.
Me too. I don't feel very good about myself at this moment, but I
think I'm making progress. I'm not stupid enough to think I can do it
overnight. :)
Post by Missy
Seeing your resolution makes me so happy. I've never known how to react to
you - at times you seem like the person I know you *must* be, for Kate to
have fallen in love with and married you. Those times I enjoy reading your
posts, and giggling at your unique view of the world. The rest of the time?
Honestly, I would cringe seeing your name on a header. You were mean, and
insensitive and, to me, it looked like you only showed up to take pot-shots
at people.
I know how it looked. I'm truly sorry for that. I have, more than a
few times, recognized how it must look. The "pot-shots", as you see
them, came out naturally...but they made me question WHY they did so.
Kate never did, because while you were cringing and hiding she was
seeing past the ugliness to the truth I felt I was telling. I don't
expect most people to understand what she saw, and thank god, because
I would have had to marry all of them if they did. The woman you seem
to love so much was able to see past the negativity and see the
message I was, apparently failingly, trying to present.

The part of me that scares you is truly me, but the part of me that
married the person you respect so much is ALSO me. Combined I make a
pretty fucked up character, but I *do* think I'm a decent person,
Missy. What you don't understand and what I won't get into in a
detailed way right here and now is how AUG made ME feel...in the past
several years....and how this group, in its current and recent
incarnations affected me. It, at times, wasn't pretty. But you'd
have had to understand where those mental and emotional conditions
stemmed from to begin with, which I must honestly say, you do not.

That's not to say that I was right in most cases, as I wasn't...only
that I had a REASON...as fucked up as it probably was...for being the
way I was. In the future I expect to continue to have a reason, but I
expect it to be far more clear. <g>

In honesty I doubt I'll come across "nicer"...only more sincere. :)
Post by Missy
I will be looking forward to seeing any posts that you make in the future.
You're an interesting man, and I would very much like to get to know you on
here, before I come North, because - quite frankly - you scare the
pee-waddly out of me. <G>
LOL!!!

If you ever meet me, Missy, I guarantee you'll drop that fear like a
brick. I've never seen a pee-waddly, and I've been talking about it
all night behind the text-lines of usenet, but I would SO like to see
one get scared out of somebody!!!! A Pee-waddly has GOT to be an
interesting thing to be a spectator at when it's being scared out of
somebody! Especially you, because I hear tell you are an amazing
cryer!!! (Let me justify that...I didn't hear tell that...I just
assume that if you love my wife so much that crying MUST be hot shit
with you, and the result of calling you a cryer should be incredibly
fun as a result, especially if I have a camera rolling, as I'm a fan
of such closeness between people...it's so nice to relive on film.
Particularly the licking part, but I digress...licking is a part of
all friendships, isn't it?").

Ummm....what were we talkiing about? Oh yeah...not that!

On a more serious note (not that the best joke I could think of
couldn't have spun in such a way!) I have to say I doubt I'll change
so dramatically that you'll enjoy me more in the future. The
resolutions I've made have more to do with holding grudges I have no
right to hold, not with my general posting style, of which I have no
personal beef.

Since you don't like my past posting style you'll likely not like my
future style either. I don't know if it'll be here at all, or
elsewhere, but I highly doubt I'll change so dramatically that I'll
stop your panty leakage any time soon. Your Pee-Waddly is likely to
continue its descent down your Pee-waddly adverse leg:) If you plan
to start reading me again, you should also plan to begin re-collecting
quarters, as laundry ain't cheap. <g>
Post by Missy
Oh, and if you *have* read this far, please give your wonderful bride a hug
and a kiss from me. She's an amazing woman...
I do that every day of the year, Missy....I can't help myself....and
you're right...she is. Also she's amazingly skinny, with those daily
hugs being bear hugs...she's starting to have side effects, such as
needing a cane and walking at what would otherwise seem to be
extremely hilarious angles. I like to pretend that this is a result
of my incredible sexual ability, but I have to admit that it has more
to do with my bone-crunching muscles...I'm so embarrassed that I've
broken her, but god how I love the borken bits!!!! She's my far more
subservient broken barbie and I'm a more realistically aggressive
Ken!!!

It would be better, of course, if I simply left her in her brain juice
to stew over the world's problems, but that fucking Star Trek stuff
keeps interfering with her thought processes and I have to intervene
to keep her from getting too sidetracked.
Post by Missy
Missy
back into her lair now...
Watch out...monsters be lurking.

Wojo
A monserous lurker.

--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Missy
2005-01-03 23:38:35 UTC
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Post by Wojo
Post by Missy
I will be looking forward to seeing any posts that you make in the
future. You're an interesting man, and I would very much like to get
to know you on here, before I come North, because - quite frankly -
you scare the pee-waddly out of me. <G>
LOL!!!
If you ever meet me, Missy, I guarantee you'll drop that fear like a
brick. I've never seen a pee-waddly, and I've been talking about it
all night behind the text-lines of usenet, but I would SO like to see
one get scared out of somebody!!!! A Pee-waddly has GOT to be an
interesting thing to be a spectator at when it's being scared out of
somebody! Especially you, because I hear tell you are an amazing
cryer!!! (Let me justify that...I didn't hear tell that...I just
assume that if you love my wife so much that crying MUST be hot shit
with you, and the result of calling you a cryer should be incredibly
fun as a result, especially if I have a camera rolling, as I'm a fan
of such closeness between people...it's so nice to relive on film.
Particularly the licking part, but I digress...licking is a part of
all friendships, isn't it?").
You are an odd, odd man - and I will not be licking your wife, with or
without a camera rolling! I'm not saying anything about not crying, though.
<G>
Post by Wojo
Ummm....what were we talkiing about? Oh yeah...not that!
On a more serious note (not that the best joke I could think of
couldn't have spun in such a way!) I have to say I doubt I'll change
so dramatically that you'll enjoy me more in the future. The
resolutions I've made have more to do with holding grudges I have no
right to hold, not with my general posting style, of which I have no
personal beef.
I don't mind your posting style - it was more the venom you showed to anyone
that you felt wronged you, whether recently or so far in the past that most
of us didn't remember.
Post by Wojo
Since you don't like my past posting style you'll likely not like my
future style either. I don't know if it'll be here at all, or
elsewhere, but I highly doubt I'll change so dramatically that I'll
stop your panty leakage any time soon. Your Pee-Waddly is likely to
continue its descent down your Pee-waddly adverse leg:) If you plan
to start reading me again, you should also plan to begin re-collecting
quarters, as laundry ain't cheap. <g>
Making me giggle hard enough to wet myself is not fair - you must stop
immediately!
Post by Wojo
Post by Missy
Oh, and if you *have* read this far, please give your wonderful
bride a hug and a kiss from me. She's an amazing woman...
I do that every day of the year, Missy....I can't help myself....and
you're right...she is. Also she's amazingly skinny, with those daily
hugs being bear hugs...she's starting to have side effects, such as
needing a cane and walking at what would otherwise seem to be
extremely hilarious angles. I like to pretend that this is a result
of my incredible sexual ability, but I have to admit that it has more
to do with my bone-crunching muscles...I'm so embarrassed that I've
broken her, but god how I love the borken bits!!!! She's my far more
subservient broken barbie and I'm a more realistically aggressive
Ken!!!
::snicker::

You are a strange, strange man...

Missy
Wojo
2005-01-05 04:40:50 UTC
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Post by Wojo
(Let me justify that...I didn't hear tell that...I just
Post by Wojo
assume that if you love my wife so much that crying MUST be hot shit
with you, and the result of calling you a cryer should be incredibly
fun as a result, especially if I have a camera rolling, as I'm a fan
of such closeness between people...it's so nice to relive on film.
Particularly the licking part, but I digress...licking is a part of
all friendships, isn't it?").
You are an odd, odd man - and I will not be licking your wife, with or
without a camera rolling! I'm not saying anything about not crying, though.
<G>
*sigh*

Well cry really WET then, will you? If I have to put up with sissy
crying stuff then it ought to at least be interesting for the
observers!!! <eg>
Post by Wojo
Post by Wojo
Ummm....what were we talkiing about? Oh yeah...not that!
On a more serious note (not that the best joke I could think of
couldn't have spun in such a way!) I have to say I doubt I'll change
so dramatically that you'll enjoy me more in the future. The
resolutions I've made have more to do with holding grudges I have no
right to hold, not with my general posting style, of which I have no
personal beef.
I don't mind your posting style - it was more the venom you showed to anyone
that you felt wronged you, whether recently or so far in the past that most
of us didn't remember.
And it was because of the most of you that didn't remember that I
decided to do this. :) If you and I hung out with the same crowd NOW
but I hated you because you spat balls of spit covered wadded up paper
at me in grade school I would be wrong to hold a grudge, wouldn't I?
Same thang. Particularly because the crowd we're hanging out in
doesn't even know we WENT to grade school together, let alone the fact
that you HUMILIATED ME IN FRONT OF EMMA STEPHENS, THE GIRL I WANTED TO
MARRY!!! IHATEYOUHATEYOUHATEYOU!!!!!!
Post by Wojo
Post by Wojo
Since you don't like my past posting style you'll likely not like my
future style either. I don't know if it'll be here at all, or
elsewhere, but I highly doubt I'll change so dramatically that I'll
stop your panty leakage any time soon. Your Pee-Waddly is likely to
continue its descent down your Pee-waddly adverse leg:) If you plan
to start reading me again, you should also plan to begin re-collecting
quarters, as laundry ain't cheap. <g>
Making me giggle hard enough to wet myself is not fair - you must stop
immediately!
I just bought the newest version of "The Sims" and imagining you
wetting yourself is far too real in my brain right now. I think
"Woo-Hoo" is next...
Post by Wojo
Post by Wojo
Post by Missy
Oh, and if you *have* read this far, please give your wonderful
bride a hug and a kiss from me. She's an amazing woman...
I do that every day of the year, Missy....I can't help myself....and
you're right...she is. Also she's amazingly skinny, with those daily
hugs being bear hugs...she's starting to have side effects, such as
needing a cane and walking at what would otherwise seem to be
extremely hilarious angles. I like to pretend that this is a result
of my incredible sexual ability, but I have to admit that it has more
to do with my bone-crunching muscles...I'm so embarrassed that I've
broken her, but god how I love the borken bits!!!! She's my far more
subservient broken barbie and I'm a more realistically aggressive
Ken!!!
You are a strange, strange man...
Hey...if I make you wet yourself, it's all worth it in the end.
Because making women wet is what I live for.

Wojo
Who doesn't remember ever knowing a person named Emma. For that
matter I've never known a guy named "Jake"...isn't that weird?

--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Scott
2005-01-03 14:15:14 UTC
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"Wojo" <***@isoc.net> wrote

<snip apologies to everyone but *me*>
Post by Wojo
However, in all the years I've been speaking my mind I've never felt
a mind so melded to my own as is this group. Even if I am no longer a
part of it it's terribly painful to feel unwelcome here and I've
nobody to blame but myself, so I resolve to become welcome, if rarely,
once again to alt.underground. I don't know if I'll post here, but I'd
like to, definitely.
Wojo
Oh sure........... eviscorate yourself in front of everyone in the world
and not *once* do you mention how you wronged me. How, in the public eye,
you embarrassed me and then gloated to everyone within ear-shot about how
much *better* you are than me.

It took me years, you hear me?, *YEARS* to get over that , and just recently
I've finally worked up the courage to start showing my face within that
venue again, and here you are *yet again* to make me tremble. You fuck.

Seriously......... I'll *never* forget that game of pool. <g>

Hey Woj.......... Welcome. Seriously. Good to see you.

In-so-far as all the apologies are concerned, might I just say one thing as
a person who thinks they may know you a little? Only on a couple of
occasions that I remember did I ever think you were dead wrong on your side
of an argument........ maybe not even a couple and I certainly couldn't
site any instances. You've always had a point, whether I agreed with it or
not, and you've always fervently argued your point. There is nothing wrong
with that and so far as I'm concerned it's good character. The problems
you've had with some of the aforementioned folks, so far as I can see <or
remember> is how undiplomatic you were about arguing with them. Then, if
and when an argument ensued, you have the uncanny ability to get really
nasty if you want to. <I seriously think you would have made a really good
litigator>

Black and white is not always as easy as we would like it to be...........
I know that there are points discussed within this group and others that I
desperately disagree with and though I will do whatever is in my power to
dissuade anyone from their disagreeance with me, I will also give credence
to their opinion. Especially if they cling to it with the ferocity of a
mother bear to her cubs. Sometimes a person's mind can not be changed, but
once this is realized you must simply consider it a small character flaw if
this person is one whom you would like to respect, and agree to disagree or
whatever. I'm sure you know all of this.

I think that you are a terrific person with an abundance of intelligence who
can be a very viable friend <as you have been to me> but you cling to your
opinions so fiercely that you sometimes forget that even though you know
someone is wrong about what they believe, they still *believe* and have the
same right to be wrong as you or me or anyone else. Sometimes you just have
to let people be wrong and let them think that *you* are unenlightened.
<shrug>

Don't resolve to be unargumentative. That would suck and it wouldn't be
you. Just resolve to resist saying what comes to mind when dealing with
someone who is so ridiculously wrong that they should not only be called
'fucking stupid', but should be hung upside down and beaten unconscious with
a Webster's. You have, after all, gone through your share of dictionary's.

(Note to those Wojo mentioned: I do not believe any of you should be beaten
with a dictionary, except maybe Sharon, nor do I think any of you are
fucking stupid as I don't know what arguments ensued to create the "fallings
out" that Woj has mentioned. I simply am writing from the memories of
several heated debates betwixt either the two of us, or any 1 of innumerous
folks that used to hang here or at absk)

People are basically a fragile animal. Some make horrible errors in
judgment and then refuse to admit they were wrong. Some, who we believe are
wrong, honestly believe they are not. When dealing with anyone who
disagree's with me, I always try to remember the following:

--Never discredit anyone's feelings. Usually, unless you are dealing with a
***troll, people in your immediate surrounding on Usenet or IRL have
feelings that are easily bruised. Firmly argue your point, but never forget
what respect is gained by allowing someone to keep their pride.

--Never stoop to name-calling unless it is completely unavoidable. It
usually isn't.

--Never ignore your inner voice. Everyone has that little squeaker that
tells them they are being vindictive or mean. Keep it quiet and you'll very
rarely have to make an apology.

--Never use personal knowledge of someone in a public argument. For obvious
reasons.

Of course, doing all of this may make you more mundane and less respected
like it does me, but those that know you *know* you and will cherish you
regardless.

You know all of this, of course, but man I just couldn't resist starting out
the year by jumping up on a soap box. lol

I really can't tell you how cool it is to see you.

Hope you and K have a *wonderful* New Year and I wish you all the luck in
the world with the smoking thing...................If worse comes to worse,
just promise yourself that you won't smoke anything but $25.00 cigars. At
least then you'll make sure you *really* have to have one before you
actually smoke one, *or* you'll be too broke to smoke too many. ;-)

Hope to see you around, Dude.

Scott

***I remember Ms. HotPoison and I think the two of you are very much alike.
Trolls with feelings........ what's the world coming to? ;-)
Janet
2005-01-04 02:29:28 UTC
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Post by Scott
If worse comes to worse,
just promise yourself that you won't smoke anything but $25.00 cigars. At
least then you'll make sure you *really* have to have one before you
actually smoke one, *or* you'll be too broke to smoke too many. ;-)
Or... Or... OR... better yet, just ask Janet about May, 2002. She knows.

As an aside... I am an ex-smoker. I am so fortunate in that I never looked
back. I realize how difficult it is to quit. I commend those that attempt
it. You have my 100% support. For those of you that smoke cigars... they
are a totally different evil. I try not to be one to preach... but
please... see your dentist regularly. They save lives. I know.

janet
psa
Sharon
2005-01-04 09:24:33 UTC
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Post by Janet
She knows.
Knows?? KNOWS WHAT????

laughed
sharon
Susie
2005-01-05 02:40:23 UTC
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Post by Janet
As an aside... I am an ex-smoker. I am so fortunate in that I never looked
back. I realize how difficult it is to quit. I commend those that attempt
it. You have my 100% support. For those of you that smoke cigars... they
are a totally different evil. I try not to be one to preach... but
please... see your dentist regularly. They save lives. I know.
I hear you, hon, I remember.

{{Janet}}...

..just cause.

S
Wojo
2005-01-05 05:36:17 UTC
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Post by Scott
<snip apologies to everyone but *me*>
Left one in, did ya, ya arrogant fuck?
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
However, in all the years I've been speaking my mind I've never felt
a mind so melded to my own as is this group. Even if I am no longer a
part of it it's terribly painful to feel unwelcome here and I've
nobody to blame but myself, so I resolve to become welcome, if rarely,
once again to alt.underground. I don't know if I'll post here, but I'd
like to, definitely.
Wojo
Oh sure........... eviscorate yourself in front of everyone in the world
and not *once* do you mention how you wronged me. How, in the public eye,
you embarrassed me and then gloated to everyone within ear-shot about how
much *better* you are than me.
Yes...well...I don't ALWAYS gloat about ALL my successes. Sometimes I
hold back for the right moment.
Post by Scott
It took me years, you hear me?, *YEARS* to get over that , and just recently
I've finally worked up the courage to start showing my face within that
venue again, and here you are *yet again* to make me tremble. You fuck.
Orgasms at the very sight of me. Damned if I'm not amazing.
Post by Scott
Seriously......... I'll *never* forget that game of pool. <g>
Oh...the one out of fifty that I beat you at? I won't either. It was
glorious. ;)
Post by Scott
Hey Woj.......... Welcome. Seriously. Good to see you.
You too...and truly a pleasant surprise. I heard you were dead.
Eaten by may-flies, actually, if you can believe that...and in
NOVEMBER...to make things seem even weirder.

I'd gathered you'd had some MBA's take over your company that told you
it was unethical to be online.
Post by Scott
In-so-far as all the apologies are concerned, might I just say one thing as
a person who thinks they may know you a little?
You might, apparently, say many things. ;)
Post by Scott
Only on a couple of
occasions that I remember did I ever think you were dead wrong on your side
of an argument........ maybe not even a couple and I certainly couldn't
site any instances. You've always had a point, whether I agreed with it or
not, and you've always fervently argued your point. There is nothing wrong
with that and so far as I'm concerned it's good character. The problems
you've had with some of the aforementioned folks, so far as I can see <or
remember> is how undiplomatic you were about arguing with them. Then, if
and when an argument ensued, you have the uncanny ability to get really
nasty if you want to. <I seriously think you would have made a really good
litigator>
Yes, in Satan's court I'd rock...and roll...all night long.

Thank you, and I humbly agree with that. I'm not disagreeing with the
points I've made, or tried to make here...only the motivation found
therein. (Therein is kindof a litagater's word...isn't it?
CHA-CHING!) The venom of my words was unnatural because it didn't
come from actual emotional reaction to the posts themselves as much as
it did from the posters...something I have hypocritically posted
AGAINST for more years than most of these people have been typing
replies.
Post by Scott
Black and white is not always as easy as we would like it to be...........
I know that there are points discussed within this group and others that I
desperately disagree with and though I will do whatever is in my power to
dissuade anyone from their disagreeance with me, I will also give credence
to their opinion. Especially if they cling to it with the ferocity of a
mother bear to her cubs. Sometimes a person's mind can not be changed, but
once this is realized you must simply consider it a small character flaw if
this person is one whom you would like to respect, and agree to disagree or
whatever. I'm sure you know all of this.
Yes...but doesn't it count for anything that they are always wrong and
I am their moral superior? I mean...really!!! Doesn't it? ;)
Post by Scott
I think that you are a terrific person with an abundance of intelligence who
can be a very viable friend <as you have been to me> but you cling to your
opinions so fiercely that you sometimes forget that even though you know
someone is wrong about what they believe, they still *believe* and have the
same right to be wrong as you or me or anyone else. Sometimes you just have
to let people be wrong and let them think that *you* are unenlightened.
<shrug>
*sigh*

What do you think, you're smarter and more mature than me? Fuck you,
punk! I'll pop a cap in yo ass!

:(

Yeah. I know that.

Actually, and I don't mean to overly dramatize this, but my opinions
since 9/11 have been so dramatically different than my feelings prior
to that date that I think there have been emotions there that
otherwise wouldn't have been. That's why I always flip out when
people call me a "Republican" or some such bullshit. I am who I am.

Err...I just brought politics into this.

But I meant it as a reason to explain.

Not that I should be trying to explain.

Uhh...hey...did you know that nearly 50% of the beer drank in the US
is made in Wisconsin? And that "Uranus" is a really funny name for a
planet?
Post by Scott
Don't resolve to be unargumentative. That would suck and it wouldn't be
you. Just resolve to resist saying what comes to mind when dealing with
someone who is so ridiculously wrong that they should not only be called
'fucking stupid', but should be hung upside down and beaten unconscious with
a Webster's. You have, after all, gone through your share of dictionary's.
Actually, I don't agree with that. I'm going to continue to call
people morons when I think they're being morons...but I think the
resolve should come from them being morons NOW rather than the morons
I thought they were at some prior date. :) Hell...LineNoise might
even come back!!! I'm sure his trips out East have eaten some of the
lesser moron parts of his brain. It DID have a lot of potential,
after all!! ;)
Post by Scott
(Note to those Wojo mentioned: I do not believe any of you should be beaten
with a dictionary, except maybe Sharon, nor do I think any of you are
fucking stupid as I don't know what arguments ensued to create the "fallings
out" that Woj has mentioned. I simply am writing from the memories of
several heated debates betwixt either the two of us, or any 1 of innumerous
folks that used to hang here or at absk)
And you say *I* should be a litegator. Kiss-Ass. And if I ever get
the chance to hit Sharon with a dictionary I am SO going to do it.
Then she's going to absorb the entire context and spit it verbally
back in my face in an offensive maneuver I still haven't figured out
how I'll counter yet. The bitch.

Sad thing is I know that had you not said that you'd have gotten at
least 10 emails wondering... ;)
Post by Scott
People are basically a fragile animal. Some make horrible errors in
judgment and then refuse to admit they were wrong. Some, who we believe are
wrong, honestly believe they are not. When dealing with anyone who
--Never discredit anyone's feelings. Usually, unless you are dealing with a
***troll, people in your immediate surrounding on Usenet or IRL have
feelings that are easily bruised. Firmly argue your point, but never forget
what respect is gained by allowing someone to keep their pride.
That's good, really. But most of them were dealing with me, by the
end I didn't allow them to keep their pride. ;)
Post by Scott
--Never stoop to name-calling unless it is completely unavoidable. It
usually isn't.
But it's so FUN to watch them react!!!

Shit. I AM a troll. :(
Post by Scott
--Never ignore your inner voice. Everyone has that little squeaker that
tells them they are being vindictive or mean. Keep it quiet and you'll very
rarely have to make an apology.
Problem is that my inner voice usually tells me my posts are
BRILLIANT.

I once had a friend who posted regularly. I knew him in real life
and he was a roomate. I used to hear this when I got up in the
morning: "Come here...read this...I think it's the Best Thing I've
Ever Written!!!".

In my household it's a common joke: It's the...Best...Post...Ever.
That's how many times we heard it.

At the time I thought "....uh...no dude...it's not." No, wait, that's
what I SAID...what I thought was far more brutal because my thoughts
are far more devilish than my words....oh...can you bear it...can you
even IMAGINE it...

However!!!:::

Now I'm him, in that regard, sometimes. :) It's never quite as
BLAZINGLY BRILLIANT the next morning. It might be as hot as the sun,
but hot and brilliant, though the line may be thin, are not
synonymous. :)
Post by Scott
--Never use personal knowledge of someone in a public argument. For obvious
reasons.
Yeah...I agree with that statement and break it all the time.

I could...ahhh...say the same for you, though...so just smile and bear
it, cuz it does my ego good. :) I think we've known each other long
enough now. <g>
Post by Scott
Of course, doing all of this may make you more mundane and less respected
like it does me, but those that know you *know* you and will cherish you
regardless.
Who the fuck "cherishes" you, Scott? Most people think your name is
"Gasman"...how charming.

Heh.

Believe me...in the past few years...if I could figure out how to be
"mundane" I would have...it's all I ever expected, wanted, or planned
to be. :)

The less respected is BS, though, cuz I've never heard of anyone who
didn't respect you who knew you and Zed weren't the same person. ;)
Post by Scott
You know all of this, of course, but man I just couldn't resist starting out
the year by jumping up on a soap box. lol
Hey...who can...ya gotta touch soap once in a while whether you like
to or not, that's what I always say before raising my arms in public
and making squirrels scream.
Post by Scott
I really can't tell you how cool it is to see you.
Awwww!!!

((((((Scotty))))))

(I said less sarcastic things about your return privately, don't
expect me to do it publicly).
Post by Scott
Hope you and K have a *wonderful* New Year and I wish you all the luck in
the world with the smoking thing...................If worse comes to worse,
just promise yourself that you won't smoke anything but $25.00 cigars. At
least then you'll make sure you *really* have to have one before you
actually smoke one, *or* you'll be too broke to smoke too many. ;-)
Ughhh...I actually craved a cigar the other night. I didn't say
anything to my bride, of course, because, well, I've been down that
road. I got into cigars last year and really liked it...but it didn't
reduce my cigarettes appreciatively enough to justify the incredible
cost so I said fuck it. Just three nights ago, though...my first
Saturday of lower nicotine...I was really craving a long lasting
cigar. I almost dug into my trunk because I'm pretty sure there's a
couple of year old crappy $1 cigars crushed in there somewhere from
the early days of my 6 month cigar fancy.
Post by Scott
Hope to see you around, Dude.
I'm around, dude, hope to see you in person. :)
Post by Scott
Scott
***I remember Ms. HotPoison and I think the two of you are very much alike.
Trolls with feelings........ what's the world coming to? ;-)
She was far more anonymous than I. :) We who knew her actual name
were quite the privileged ones. <g>

Wojo
ASSuming Scott knows and/or remembers her name
--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Scott
2005-01-05 15:29:52 UTC
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Post by Wojo
Yes...well...I don't ALWAYS gloat about ALL my successes. Sometimes I
hold back for the right moment.
Masterbation doesn't count................ Usually.
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
Seriously......... I'll *never* forget that game of pool. <g>
Oh...the one out of fifty that I beat you at? I won't either. It was
glorious. ;)
Funny...... I remember it the other way around.

Hey! Speaking of which, did your lovely bride tell you about the new stick
I've recently aquired?

I did some laser work for a fellow named Richard Black a few years ago
pro-bono. As a 'thank you', he sent me one of his sticks. It's a
master-piece. Art. Beautiful. It's also like racing a 350 lb retard on
Sea-Biscuit. I don't do it justice.
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
Hey Woj.......... Welcome. Seriously. Good to see you.
You too...and truly a pleasant surprise. I heard you were dead.
Eaten by may-flies, actually, if you can believe that...and in
NOVEMBER...to make things seem even weirder.
I'd gathered you'd had some MBA's take over your company that told you
it was unethical to be online.
Aye..... I've been extraordinarily busy. Started 2 new businesses with
some fairly young partners. They have fantastic ideas and a decent work
ethic and I had the $$ they needed and a little sage business advice. *Why*
I felt I needed another headache, let alone two of them, is beyond me but
now I'm in too far to retreat so we're hoping it all works out. You can
check them out at: www.r-blox.com and www.afterstockmotorsports.com . One
of my new partners takes care of the websites so I can take no credit.

To make a long story short, though, it means a lot of extra hours.
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
In-so-far as all the apologies are concerned, might I just say one thing as
a person who thinks they may know you a little?
You might, apparently, say many things. ;)
Yeah I was just so full of myself when I posted this that I came spilling
out all over the place. ;-)
Post by Wojo
Yes, in Satan's court I'd rock...and roll...all night long.
Thank you, and I humbly agree with that. I'm not disagreeing with the
points I've made, or tried to make here...only the motivation found
therein. (Therein is kindof a litagater's word...isn't it?
CHA-CHING!) The venom of my words was unnatural because it didn't
come from actual emotional reaction to the posts themselves as much as
it did from the posters...something I have hypocritically posted
AGAINST for more years than most of these people have been typing
replies.
Yes and mostly it was fun to watch. *Mostly*. You definately have a knack
for finding hot-buttons. Kestral not with-standing. lol
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
Black and white is not always as easy as we would like it to
be...........
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
I know that there are points discussed within this group and others that I
desperately disagree with and though I will do whatever is in my power to
dissuade anyone from their disagreeance with me, I will also give credence
to their opinion. Especially if they cling to it with the ferocity of a
mother bear to her cubs. Sometimes a person's mind can not be changed, but
once this is realized you must simply consider it a small character flaw if
this person is one whom you would like to respect, and agree to disagree or
whatever. I'm sure you know all of this.
Yes...but doesn't it count for anything that they are always wrong and
I am their moral superior? I mean...really!!! Doesn't it? ;)
<toe dragging in dirt> Well................ yeah.
Post by Wojo
Sometimes you just have
Post by Scott
to let people be wrong and let them think that *you* are unenlightened.
<shrug>
*sigh*
What do you think, you're smarter and more mature than me? Fuck you,
punk! I'll pop a cap in yo ass!
Smarter, more mature, exceedingly better looking and more well-endowed.
Let's not forget those.
Post by Wojo
:(
Yeah. I know that.
Actually, and I don't mean to overly dramatize this, but my opinions
since 9/11 have been so dramatically different than my feelings prior
to that date that I think there have been emotions there that
otherwise wouldn't have been. That's why I always flip out when
people call me a "Republican" or some such bullshit. I am who I am.
As I haven't read one of your rants in quite some time, I can't relate to
the changes you've made. I do, however, look forward to the next topic that
fries your ass, so long as you're gonna be around to let us hear you scream
your opinion about it. :-)
Post by Wojo
Err...I just brought politics into this.
But I meant it as a reason to explain.
Not that I should be trying to explain.
*Lucy.........?*
Post by Wojo
Uhh...hey...did you know that nearly 50% of the beer drank in the US
is made in Wisconsin?
That's because I only drink Busch Light half the time. The other half I
drink IC Light, which is made here in good old Pennsylvania. I usually have
to switch back to Busch Light every other month or so to let the mercury
levels in my system subside a little.
Post by Wojo
And that "Uranus" is a really funny name for a
planet?
Pfffffbt! Yeah, right.
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
Don't resolve to be unargumentative. That would suck and it wouldn't be
you. Just resolve to resist saying what comes to mind when dealing with
someone who is so ridiculously wrong that they should not only be called
'fucking stupid', but should be hung upside down and beaten unconscious with
a Webster's. You have, after all, gone through your share of
dictionary's.
Post by Wojo
Actually, I don't agree with that. I'm going to continue to call
people morons when I think they're being morons...but I think the
resolve should come from them being morons NOW rather than the morons
I thought they were at some prior date. :) Hell...LineNoise might
even come back!!! I'm sure his trips out East have eaten some of the
lesser moron parts of his brain. It DID have a lot of potential,
after all!! ;)
Yes, well I think it became a matter of principle to him to best you. The
fact that you wouldn't acknowledge any formidable gain on his part of any
argument drove him quite mad I think. lol I remember that one went on and
on and on.................
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
(Note to those Wojo mentioned: I do not believe any of you should be beaten
with a dictionary, except maybe Sharon, nor do I think any of you are
fucking stupid as I don't know what arguments ensued to create the "fallings
out" that Woj has mentioned. I simply am writing from the memories of
several heated debates betwixt either the two of us, or any 1 of innumerous
folks that used to hang here or at absk)
And you say *I* should be a litegator. Kiss-Ass. And if I ever get
the chance to hit Sharon with a dictionary I am SO going to do it.
Then she's going to absorb the entire context and spit it verbally
back in my face in an offensive maneuver I still haven't figured out
how I'll counter yet. The bitch.
She won't be bested by anybody. Well except maybe a ferret.
Post by Wojo
Sad thing is I know that had you not said that you'd have gotten at
least 10 emails wondering... ;)
Diplomacy, man.
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
People are basically a fragile animal. Some make horrible errors in
judgment and then refuse to admit they were wrong. Some, who we believe are
wrong, honestly believe they are not. When dealing with anyone who
--Never discredit anyone's feelings. Usually, unless you are dealing with a
***troll, people in your immediate surrounding on Usenet or IRL have
feelings that are easily bruised. Firmly argue your point, but never forget
what respect is gained by allowing someone to keep their pride.
That's good, really. But most of them were dealing with me, by the
end I didn't allow them to keep their pride. ;)
errrrrrr......... Yeah. That's what *I* said. lol
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
--Never stoop to name-calling unless it is completely unavoidable. It
usually isn't.
But it's so FUN to watch them react!!!
Shit. I AM a troll. :(
And so adept............ You pale only to Mr. Whelen. lol
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
--Never ignore your inner voice. Everyone has that little squeaker that
tells them they are being vindictive or mean. Keep it quiet and you'll very
rarely have to make an apology.
Problem is that my inner voice usually tells me my posts are
BRILLIANT.
I once had a friend who posted regularly. I knew him in real life
and he was a roomate. I used to hear this when I got up in the
morning: "Come here...read this...I think it's the Best Thing I've
Ever Written!!!".
In my household it's a common joke: It's the...Best...Post...Ever.
That's how many times we heard it.
At the time I thought "....uh...no dude...it's not." No, wait, that's
what I SAID...what I thought was far more brutal because my thoughts
are far more devilish than my words....oh...can you bear it...can you
even IMAGINE it...
Now I'm him, in that regard, sometimes. :) It's never quite as
BLAZINGLY BRILLIANT the next morning. It might be as hot as the sun,
but hot and brilliant, though the line may be thin, are not
synonymous. :)
I know exactly what you mean. As soon as I re-read my original reply to you
I thought it sounded much less prolific and much more sanctimonious than I
ever would have intended.
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
--Never use personal knowledge of someone in a public argument. For obvious
reasons.
Yeah...I agree with that statement and break it all the time.
I could...ahhh...say the same for you, though...so just smile and bear
it, cuz it does my ego good. :) I think we've known each other long
enough now. <g>
lol Touche'
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
Of course, doing all of this may make you more mundane and less respected
like it does me, but those that know you *know* you and will cherish you
regardless.
Who the fuck "cherishes" you, Scott? Most people think your name is
"Gasman"...how charming.
Sharon. She's the only one. She worships the ground I walk on. I find it
quite distressing actually. I think she's stalking me.
Post by Wojo
Heh.
Believe me...in the past few years...if I could figure out how to be
"mundane" I would have...it's all I ever expected, wanted, or planned
to be. :)
The less respected is BS, though, cuz I've never heard of anyone who
didn't respect you who knew you and Zed weren't the same person. ;)
I could only hope to be that witty. If I had to choose on online persona,
I'd take his over mine any day.

What I meant, though, is that you are more likely to 'scare the pee-waddly'
out of someone than am I. ;-)
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
You know all of this, of course, but man I just couldn't resist starting out
the year by jumping up on a soap box. lol
Hey...who can...ya gotta touch soap once in a while whether you like
to or not, that's what I always say before raising my arms in public
and making squirrels scream.
Hilarious visual.
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
I really can't tell you how cool it is to see you.
Awwww!!!
((((((Scotty))))))
(I said less sarcastic things about your return privately, don't
expect me to do it publicly).
<shudder> No please don't. Call me 'fuck-wit' and grab a couple beers.
It's all good. I amazes me to re-read what I wrote and see how much it
actually sounded like swooning. I'd be embarrassed if I had any dignity to
begin with. ;-)
Post by Wojo
Ughhh...I actually craved a cigar the other night. I didn't say
anything to my bride, of course, because, well, I've been down that
road. I got into cigars last year and really liked it...but it didn't
reduce my cigarettes appreciatively enough to justify the incredible
cost so I said fuck it. Just three nights ago, though...my first
Saturday of lower nicotine...I was really craving a long lasting
cigar. I almost dug into my trunk because I'm pretty sure there's a
couple of year old crappy $1 cigars crushed in there somewhere from
the early days of my 6 month cigar fancy.
It took me 5 years of trying to quit chewing and finally I swore to myself
on my son that I wouldn't chew anymore. That worked but I wouldn't
recommend it.
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
Hope to see you around, Dude.
I'm around, dude, hope to see you in person. :)
No kidding! When ya gonna be in PA? lol
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
Scott
***I remember Ms. HotPoison and I think the two of you are very much alike.
Trolls with feelings........ what's the world coming to? ;-)
She was far more anonymous than I. :) We who knew her actual name
were quite the privileged ones. <g>
Hmmmm.......... Her first name I believe I remember but I don't think I ever
knew her last. I wasn't nearly as close with her as you were, though. Then
again, my memory is almost the shortest part of me so I may have known and
forgotten. :-/
Post by Wojo
Wojo
ASSuming Scott knows and/or remembers her name
--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
What's up with the page? Couldn't get it to work.
Sharon
2005-01-05 18:47:31 UTC
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She won't be bested by anybody. Well except maybe a ferret.
Though it pains me to admit it, there very little that can be done when a
ferret decides to latch onto your nose.

sharon
as one actually did to Jon at one point (yes I did laugh until I couldnt
breathe but thats another story altogether)
Wojo
2005-01-06 06:12:57 UTC
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Post by Scott
She won't be bested by anybody. Well except maybe a ferret.
Though it pains me to admit it, there very little that can be done when a
ferret decides to latch onto your nose.
sharon
as one actually did to Jon at one point (yes I did laugh until I couldnt
breathe but thats another story altogether)
It didn't pain you to admit it, it pained him to allow you to attach a
ferret to his nose. The only reason it pained you to admit it is
because you were afraid that simply telling the story might make
people think you're mean.

Wojo
Who would attach a ferret to a person if it might mean I'd laugh

--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Scott
2005-01-06 15:27:22 UTC
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Post by Wojo
It didn't pain you to admit it, it pained him to allow you to attach a
ferret to his nose.
Why did I have to visualize her removing the ferret from one of his nipples
in order to do this?
Post by Wojo
Wojo
Who would attach a ferret to a person if it might mean I'd laugh
Scott
Now that's not funny.
Wojo
2005-01-07 05:25:16 UTC
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Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
It didn't pain you to admit it, it pained him to allow you to attach a
ferret to his nose.
Why did I have to visualize her removing the ferret from one of his nipples
in order to do this?
Because you're gay. Faggy faggy gay guy.
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
Wojo
Who would attach a ferret to a person if it might mean I'd laugh
Scott
Now that's not funny.
You say that, but in your minds eye you know you're laughing...

Wojo

--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Sharon
2005-01-05 18:49:56 UTC
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Post by Wojo
Who the fuck "cherishes" you, Scott? Most people think your name is
"Gasman"...how charming.
Sharon. She's the only one. She worships the ground I walk on. I
find it quite distressing actually. I think she's stalking me.
I am (mwahahaha!) or at least I would be if I could ever get stateside (are
you scared yet?)

sharon
was, strangely enough, gonna reply to Wojo with "speak for yourself"
Scott
2005-01-05 21:28:46 UTC
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Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
Who the fuck "cherishes" you, Scott? Most people think your name is
"Gasman"...how charming.
Sharon. She's the only one. She worships the ground I walk on. I
find it quite distressing actually. I think she's stalking me.
I am (mwahahaha!) or at least I would be if I could ever get stateside (are
you scared yet?)
sharon
was, strangely enough, gonna reply to Wojo with "speak for yourself"
Shhhhhhhhh............ You hear that?

It's the sound of my head swelling.

Scott
who will just let you guess...............
Sharon
2005-01-05 22:25:57 UTC
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It's the sound of my head swelling.
Is it high tide already?

wondered
sharon
who pities anyone who understood that for having the same logic as me ;)
Wojo
2005-01-06 06:14:29 UTC
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Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
Who the fuck "cherishes" you, Scott? Most people think your name is
"Gasman"...how charming.
Sharon. She's the only one. She worships the ground I walk on. I
find it quite distressing actually. I think she's stalking me.
I am (mwahahaha!) or at least I would be if I could ever get stateside (are
you scared yet?)
sharon
was, strangely enough, gonna reply to Wojo with "speak for yourself"
You find "Gasman" to be charming, then? ;)

Wojo

--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Sharon
2005-01-06 09:35:57 UTC
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Post by Sharon
I am (mwahahaha!) or at least I would be if I could ever get stateside
(are you scared yet?)
was, strangely enough, gonna reply to Wojo with "speak for yourself"
You find "Gasman" to be charming, then? ;)
This one in particular? Why yes, yes I do.

sharon
refusing to sink to your level
Wojo
2005-01-07 05:26:10 UTC
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Post by Wojo
Post by Sharon
I am (mwahahaha!) or at least I would be if I could ever get stateside
(are you scared yet?)
was, strangely enough, gonna reply to Wojo with "speak for yourself"
You find "Gasman" to be charming, then? ;)
This one in particular? Why yes, yes I do.
He also has fooled lesser people, but not greater people, so I don't
know how to respond. ;)
Post by Sharon
sharon
refusing to sink to your level
You will...sooner or later...you will.

Wojo

--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Wojo
2005-01-06 06:11:24 UTC
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Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
Yes...well...I don't ALWAYS gloat about ALL my successes. Sometimes I
hold back for the right moment.
Masterbation doesn't count................ Usually.
I am actually pretty successful at that. :)
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
Seriously......... I'll *never* forget that game of pool. <g>
Oh...the one out of fifty that I beat you at? I won't either. It was
glorious. ;)
Funny...... I remember it the other way around.
It's called "psychological hustling"...you only THINK you lost. ;)
Post by Scott
Hey! Speaking of which, did your lovely bride tell you about the new stick
I've recently aquired?
Nope. She must not have wanted me to know she'd been talking to you.
I wonder why THAT is?????

Excuse me a moment, I have to go wake her up...
Post by Scott
I did some laser work for a fellow named Richard Black a few years ago
pro-bono. As a 'thank you', he sent me one of his sticks. It's a
master-piece. Art. Beautiful. It's also like racing a 350 lb retard on
Sea-Biscuit. I don't do it justice.
LOL!!!!

That's the weird thing about really nice cues (Richard Black, BTW, is
famous...and his cues are tremendously expensive) they're too pretty
to bang around with, too....intricate.
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
Hey Woj.......... Welcome. Seriously. Good to see you.
You too...and truly a pleasant surprise. I heard you were dead.
Eaten by may-flies, actually, if you can believe that...and in
NOVEMBER...to make things seem even weirder.
I'd gathered you'd had some MBA's take over your company that told you
it was unethical to be online.
Aye..... I've been extraordinarily busy. Started 2 new businesses with
some fairly young partners. They have fantastic ideas and a decent work
ethic and I had the $$ they needed and a little sage business advice. *Why*
I felt I needed another headache, let alone two of them, is beyond me but
now I'm in too far to retreat so we're hoping it all works out. You can
check them out at: www.r-blox.com and www.afterstockmotorsports.com . One
of my new partners takes care of the websites so I can take no credit.
To make a long story short, though, it means a lot of extra hours.
Well, I won't pretend that I RUSHED TO SEE the sites at 12:30 a.m.,
but I did save them in my bookmarks so I could look at them later. :)
I don't know WTF "r-blox" might be, but the other URL intrigues me.

I hope this isn't an overly-expensive web venture...the market's kinda
saturated...ya know?

Also...I hope your new Internet savvy partners don't read Usenet
because...uhhh...you don't appear to be too flattering toward them.
<g>

Personally, and from experience, I'm not one to make flattering
comments toward business partners in general. :)
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
In-so-far as all the apologies are concerned, might I just say one thing
as a person who thinks they may know you a little?
You might, apparently, say many things. ;)
Yeah I was just so full of myself when I posted this that I came spilling
out all over the place. ;-)
I've never done anything like that. I'd be surprised if I've ever
posted a post over a paragraph, really. Ya long winded basta'ad.
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
Yes, in Satan's court I'd rock...and roll...all night long.
Thank you, and I humbly agree with that. I'm not disagreeing with the
points I've made, or tried to make here...only the motivation found
therein. (Therein is kindof a litagater's word...isn't it?
CHA-CHING!) The venom of my words was unnatural because it didn't
come from actual emotional reaction to the posts themselves as much as
it did from the posters...something I have hypocritically posted
AGAINST for more years than most of these people have been typing
replies.
Yes and mostly it was fun to watch. *Mostly*. You definately have a knack
for finding hot-buttons. Kestral not with-standing. lol
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I know she will eventually read this thread, and your comments in
particular, but I don't think she'd agree with that last bit. I have
an entire book of Kestral Hot Buttons!!! ;)

It's for sale, but I doubt if I know anyone who can afford it, as it
will cost an arm and a leg...mine.
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
you must simply consider it a small character flaw
if this person is one whom you would like to respect, and agree to disagree
or whatever. I'm sure you know all of this.
Yes...but doesn't it count for anything that they are always wrong and
I am their moral superior? I mean...really!!! Doesn't it? ;)
<toe dragging in dirt> Well................ yeah.
Forgive me if I seem to be snipping too aggressively...your format is
all screwed up and I have to re-align your lines manually before I'm
comfortable with the aesthetics of the post, then we get to the points
themselves, approximately 12 hours later, and, well, I can't be arsed.

But I couldn't cut that completely even though I don't have a worthy
reply. :)

A lesser person would use an over-used Internet acronym like "lol" or
some such, but I just can't bring myself to do it without a follow up.
Instead I'll write a short 3 paragraph speech amounting to exactly
dick.
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
Sometimes you just have
Post by Scott
to let people be wrong and let them think that *you* are unenlightened.
<shrug>
*sigh*
What do you think, you're smarter and more mature than me? Fuck you,
punk! I'll pop a cap in yo ass!
Smarter, more mature, exceedingly better looking and more well-endowed.
Let's not forget those.
Ever since that embarrassing time you confused me for gay and pulled
out your Johnson hoping for a little lovin' I've not forgotten, dude.
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
:(
Yeah. I know that.
Actually, and I don't mean to overly dramatize this, but my opinions
since 9/11 have been so dramatically different than my feelings prior
to that date that I think there have been emotions there that
otherwise wouldn't have been. That's why I always flip out when
people call me a "Republican" or some such bullshit. I am who I am.
As I haven't read one of your rants in quite some time, I can't relate to
the changes you've made. I do, however, look forward to the next topic that
fries your ass, so long as you're gonna be around to let us hear you scream
your opinion about it. :-)
I'm always around, just not always around here. Usenet and the very
brief quasi-blog I wrote are the only places I ever "scream", so if
you're online, I'm screaming somewhere. ;) I'm like a more
conservative version of Howard Dean. heh.

As for the "next topic that fries my ass"...lets see how Looney
replies to the first post I made in this thread last night. <g>
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
Err...I just brought politics into this.
But I meant it as a reason to explain.
Not that I should be trying to explain.
*Lucy.........?*
Did I say 'splain?
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
Uhh...hey...did you know that nearly 50% of the beer drank in the US
is made in Wisconsin?
That's because I only drink Busch Light half the time. The other half I
drink IC Light, which is made here in good old Pennsylvania. I usually have
to switch back to Busch Light every other month or so to let the mercury
levels in my system subside a little.
I tried to drink ICQ lite, but I had to switch back to the regular
version.

My parents drink Bus"c"h light, though. It's definitely drinkable.
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
Don't resolve to be unargumentative. That would suck and it wouldn't be
you. Just resolve to resist saying what comes to mind when dealing with
someone who is so ridiculously wrong that they should not only be called
'fucking stupid', but should be hung upside down and beaten unconscious
witha Webster's. You have, after all, gone through your share of dictionary's.
Actually, I don't agree with that. I'm going to continue to call
people morons when I think they're being morons...but I think the
resolve should come from them being morons NOW rather than the morons
I thought they were at some prior date. :) Hell...LineNoise might
even come back!!! I'm sure his trips out East have eaten some of the
lesser moron parts of his brain. It DID have a lot of potential,
after all!! ;)
Yes, well I think it became a matter of principle to him to best you. The
fact that you wouldn't acknowledge any formidable gain on his part of any
argument drove him quite mad I think. lol I remember that one went on and
on and on.................
There were more than a few "ones", and it seems like Wag was the
person who finally sent him packing, but I'm really curious which
"one" you're referring to so I can find out if I, personally, had a
major hand in sending a person I actually liked quite a bit out of
Usenet...I just thought we disagreed.
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
And you say *I* should be a litegator. Kiss-Ass. And if I ever get
the chance to hit Sharon with a dictionary I am SO going to do it.
Then she's going to absorb the entire context and spit it verbally
back in my face in an offensive maneuver I still haven't figured out
how I'll counter yet. The bitch.
She won't be bested by anybody. Well except maybe a ferret.
Yeah. She's bested by them every day. I'd kill my cats for a chance
to go to Europe but she claims not being able to find a ferret-sitter
is one of the biggest obstacles to her coming here...
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
Sad thing is I know that had you not said that you'd have gotten at
least 10 emails wondering... ;)
Diplomacy, man.
Yeah. I used to be an expert...then I rebelled against it. :)

Find a middle ground, ya think?
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Post by Wojo
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--Never stoop to name-calling unless it is completely unavoidable. It
usually isn't.
But it's so FUN to watch them react!!!
Shit. I AM a troll. :(
And so adept............ You pale only to Mr. Whelen. lol
Even during the short time that I was a "traditional" troll (since the
invention of the term, anyway) I paled, severely, to Robert Whelan.
He should be the God of Trolls.
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
Problem is that my inner voice usually tells me my posts are
BRILLIANT.
I once had a friend who posted regularly. I knew him in real life
and he was a roomate. I used to hear this when I got up in the
morning: "Come here...read this...I think it's the Best Thing I've
Ever Written!!!".
In my household it's a common joke: It's the...Best...Post...Ever.
That's how many times we heard it.
At the time I thought "....uh...no dude...it's not." No, wait, that's
what I SAID...what I thought was far more brutal because my thoughts
are far more devilish than my words....oh...can you bear it...can you
even IMAGINE it...
Now I'm him, in that regard, sometimes. :) It's never quite as
BLAZINGLY BRILLIANT the next morning. It might be as hot as the sun,
but hot and brilliant, though the line may be thin, are not
synonymous. :)
I know exactly what you mean. As soon as I re-read my original reply to you
I thought it sounded much less prolific and much more sanctimonious than I
ever would have intended.
It had a bit of "sanctimonious" in it, but I could never hold that
against you given the fact that I'm constantly telling people they're
idiots and morally disgusting...who'm I to judge advice? ;)

It definitely had a bit of the prolific to it, as you initially wanted
it to, apparently. Not a bad thing...it seems that over the past
couple years I have far more patience for long-windedness...because
I've become more longwinded than most people dream of being. <g>
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Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
--Never use personal knowledge of someone in a public argument. For
obvious reasons.
Yeah...I agree with that statement and break it all the time.
I could...ahhh...say the same for you, though...so just smile and bear
it, cuz it does my ego good. :) I think we've known each other long
enough now. <g>
lol Touche'
It's only because you were the only defense I had recently in a
private debate about my 'style' with regard to old school Vicki that I
thought to say that. :)
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Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
Of course, doing all of this may make you more mundane and less respected
like it does me, but those that know you *know* you and will cherish you
regardless.
Who the fuck "cherishes" you, Scott? Most people think your name is
"Gasman"...how charming.
Sharon. She's the only one. She worships the ground I walk on. I find it
quite distressing actually. I think she's stalking me.
Yeah??? Well, she cherishes the cushion I FART ON, so don't get too
big a head, fella!

Oh, shit, jealousy.

Ummm...you should be careful, though, she's pretty susceptible to
charm.

Err...uhh...

Shit. This is bordering on a "love Sharon" thing...which we both know
we can't do, so you can just go on and have her. As long as I get to
hit her with a dictionary at some point, just to see...
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
The less respected is BS, though, cuz I've never heard of anyone who
didn't respect you who knew you and Zed weren't the same person. ;)
I could only hope to be that witty. If I had to choose on online persona,
I'd take his over mine any day.
Well, I guess, in retrospect that sounds like a dig on Zed. I don't
know him at all, I just know his name is "Scott" and a time or fifty I
had to re-read his post or yours to determine if it was he or you. In
fact it's your constant use of your signature...uhh..."sig"...that
makes it a definite to me. :)

The times he's downright flamed me, though, I knew it wasn't you. <g>
Post by Scott
What I meant, though, is that you are more likely to 'scare the pee-waddly'
out of someone than am I. ;-)
Well...I *am* a bit scarier than you, after all. ;)
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
I really can't tell you how cool it is to see you.
Awwww!!!
((((((Scotty))))))
(I said less sarcastic things about your return privately, don't
expect me to do it publicly).
<shudder> No please don't. Call me 'fuck-wit' and grab a couple beers.
It's all good. I amazes me to re-read what I wrote and see how much it
actually sounded like swooning. I'd be embarrassed if I had any dignity to
begin with. ;-)
Hey...if you swoon in my presence it simply means you recognize the
greatness that is Wojo...right? ;)

Actually you made quite a lot of good points. Not much I didn't
"know", per se, but definitely things that I had seemingly forgotten,
and attributes you have that I truly wished I possessed...such as
liking other people for instance. ;) And having patience with
people...and...I think most importantly...your uncanny ability to
accept that differences of opinion are actually GOOD things.
Something I believe is true but never seem to, in actual experience,
accept. 'Tis me who should be swooning. Only your boobs are simply
not to my taste.
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
Ughhh...I actually craved a cigar the other night. I didn't say
anything to my bride, of course, because, well, I've been down that
road. I got into cigars last year and really liked it...but it didn't
reduce my cigarettes appreciatively enough to justify the incredible
cost so I said fuck it. Just three nights ago, though...my first
Saturday of lower nicotine...I was really craving a long lasting
cigar. I almost dug into my trunk because I'm pretty sure there's a
couple of year old crappy $1 cigars crushed in there somewhere from
the early days of my 6 month cigar fancy.
It took me 5 years of trying to quit chewing and finally I swore to myself
on my son that I wouldn't chew anymore. That worked but I wouldn't
recommend it.
I agree. The last time I swore on my son he puked on my head. Not a
good trade off. Don't swear on people...it's gross.
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
Hope to see you around, Dude.
I'm around, dude, hope to see you in person. :)
No kidding! When ya gonna be in PA? lol
Hey...I'm not the travelin' business dude, you are...when ya gonna be
in Cinti? It's not like I live in some obscure part of the country
anymore...

Do people that can keep up with you scare you?
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
She was far more anonymous than I. :) We who knew her actual name
were quite the privileged ones. <g>
Hmmmm.......... Her first name I believe I remember but I don't think I ever
knew her last. I wasn't nearly as close with her as you were, though. Then
again, my memory is almost the shortest part of me so I may have known and
forgotten. :-/
And, quite frankly, that was as much a request as an arrogant
admittance that I ever knew her name to begin with, because I've gone
through like four computers since I last talked to her and I don't
remember her name anymore and...uhh...I was
hoping...uhh...nevermind...she's probably changed it 14 times since
then anyway. <g>
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
Wojo
ASSuming Scott knows and/or remembers her name
--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
What's up with the page? Couldn't get it to work.
I don't know. It works.

Wojo

--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Ashen Shugar
2005-01-06 07:24:26 UTC
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so...
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Actually, I don't agree with that. I'm going to continue to call
people morons when I think they're being morons...but I think the
resolve should come from them being morons NOW rather than the morons
I thought they were at some prior date. :) Hell...LineNoise might
even come back!!! I'm sure his trips out East have eaten some of the
lesser moron parts of his brain. It DID have a lot of potential,
after all!! ;)
Yes, well I think it became a matter of principle to him to best you. The
fact that you wouldn't acknowledge any formidable gain on his part of any
argument drove him quite mad I think. lol I remember that one went on and
on and on.................
There were more than a few "ones", and it seems like Wag was the
person who finally sent him packing, but I'm really curious which
"one" you're referring to so I can find out if I, personally, had a
major hand in sending a person I actually liked quite a bit out of
Usenet...I just thought we disagreed.
Well, he was still hanging around usenet long after he left here. He
might still be around somewhere, but not in any group I frequent.
--
Ashen Shugar
Cute death-despair-nihilism-monger
Wojo
2005-01-06 07:40:49 UTC
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Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
Yes, well I think it became a matter of principle to him to best you. The
fact that you wouldn't acknowledge any formidable gain on his part of any
argument drove him quite mad I think. lol I remember that one went on and
on and on.................
There were more than a few "ones", and it seems like Wag was the
person who finally sent him packing, but I'm really curious which
"one" you're referring to so I can find out if I, personally, had a
major hand in sending a person I actually liked quite a bit out of
Usenet...I just thought we disagreed.
Well, he was still hanging around usenet long after he left here. He
might still be around somewhere, but not in any group I frequent.
Yeah...uhh...thanks for the clarification Ashen...it was really
useful.

Wojo
Of the simply can't help the sarcasm bits Wojos

--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Ashen Shugar
2005-01-06 07:44:25 UTC
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And thusly dids't Wojo <***@isoc.net> speak, to which I responded as
so...
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Post by Ashen Shugar
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
Yes, well I think it became a matter of principle to him to best you. The
fact that you wouldn't acknowledge any formidable gain on his part of any
argument drove him quite mad I think. lol I remember that one went on and
on and on.................
There were more than a few "ones", and it seems like Wag was the
person who finally sent him packing, but I'm really curious which
"one" you're referring to so I can find out if I, personally, had a
major hand in sending a person I actually liked quite a bit out of
Usenet...I just thought we disagreed.
Well, he was still hanging around usenet long after he left here. He
might still be around somewhere, but not in any group I frequent.
Yeah...uhh...thanks for the clarification Ashen...it was really
useful.
You're welcome!
Post by Wojo
Wojo
Of the simply can't help the sarcasm bits Wojos
Of the completely oblivious Ashens
--
Ashen Shugar
"Mortals live because they fear to die. And because there's a place just down the street that makes a pizza to kill for."
Sharon
2005-01-06 09:32:41 UTC
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Post by Wojo
Shit. This is bordering on a "love Sharon" thing...which we both know
we can't do, so you can just go on and have her. As long as I get to
hit her with a dictionary at some point, just to see...
Calm down boys. I love you both *smooch!*

sharon
;-)
Wojo
2005-01-07 05:26:52 UTC
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Post by Wojo
Shit. This is bordering on a "love Sharon" thing...which we both know
we can't do, so you can just go on and have her. As long as I get to
hit her with a dictionary at some point, just to see...
Calm down boys. I love you both *smooch!*
Okay. I'm cool with that. :)

But I'm not quite ready to calm down. <g>

Wojo

--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Scott
2005-01-06 16:17:00 UTC
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Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
Masterbation doesn't count................ Usually.
I am actually pretty successful at that. :)
<sigh> Lucky for you. I wish I could say the same, but the Doc says no
heavy lifting.
Post by Wojo
Nope. She must not have wanted me to know she'd been talking to you.
I wonder why THAT is?????
Excuse me a moment, I have to go wake her up...
LOL and yet you ask me to come to Cincy. heh.
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
I did some laser work for a fellow named Richard Black a few years ago
pro-bono. As a 'thank you', he sent me one of his sticks. It's a
master-piece. Art. Beautiful. It's also like racing a 350 lb retard on
Sea-Biscuit. I don't do it justice.
LOL!!!!
That's the weird thing about really nice cues (Richard Black, BTW, is
famous...and his cues are tremendously expensive) they're too pretty
to bang around with, too....intricate.
Mine is his Bushka model <seen at www.blackcues.com > and when I talked with
him I told him the same thing. He told me that even the cues he sells for
$50,000 he makes to be used. A cue without character and use is just a
useless stick to look at.
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
Aye..... I've been extraordinarily busy. Started 2 new businesses with
some fairly young partners. They have fantastic ideas and a decent work
ethic and I had the $$ they needed and a little sage business advice.
*Why*
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
I felt I needed another headache, let alone two of them, is beyond me but
now I'm in too far to retreat so we're hoping it all works out. You can
check them out at: www.r-blox.com and www.afterstockmotorsports.com .
One
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
of my new partners takes care of the websites so I can take no credit.
To make a long story short, though, it means a lot of extra hours.
Well, I won't pretend that I RUSHED TO SEE the sites at 12:30 a.m.,
but I did save them in my bookmarks so I could look at them later. :)
I don't know WTF "r-blox" might be, but the other URL intrigues me.
I hope this isn't an overly-expensive web venture...the market's kinda
saturated...ya know?
R-Blox isn't, the other is. We do make some of the parts we sell at Corry
Laser so the two business kinda go hand in hand.
Post by Wojo
Also...I hope your new Internet savvy partners don't read Usenet
because...uhhh...you don't appear to be too flattering toward them.
<g>
lol The headaches to which I was referring to were the businesses, not my
partners. They are young and ever so excitable and energitic. I remember
when I used to be just like them back before I got jaded and curmudgeony.
:-)
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
Yes and mostly it was fun to watch. *Mostly*. You definately have a knack
for finding hot-buttons. Kestral not with-standing. lol
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
I know she will eventually read this thread, and your comments in
particular, but I don't think she'd agree with that last bit. I have
an entire book of Kestral Hot Buttons!!! ;)
It's for sale, but I doubt if I know anyone who can afford it, as it
will cost an arm and a leg...mine.
Ah well at least your used to her dealing out different parts of your body.
I mean she hands you your ass almost daily, right?
Post by Wojo
Forgive me if I seem to be snipping too aggressively...your format is
all screwed up and I have to re-align your lines manually before I'm
comfortable with the aesthetics of the post, then we get to the points
themselves, approximately 12 hours later, and, well, I can't be arsed.
But I couldn't cut that completely even though I don't have a worthy
reply. :)
A lesser person would use an over-used Internet acronym like "lol" or
some such, but I just can't bring myself to do it without a follow up.
Instead I'll write a short 3 paragraph speech amounting to exactly
dick.
lol

<snork>
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
Smarter, more mature, exceedingly better looking and more well-endowed.
Let's not forget those.
Ever since that embarrassing time you confused me for gay and pulled
out your Johnson hoping for a little lovin' I've not forgotten, dude.
Finally! The recognition I've sought! Of course I suppose you could have
told me all of this then......... had your mouth not been so full. :-O
Post by Wojo
I'm always around, just not always around here. Usenet and the very
brief quasi-blog I wrote are the only places I ever "scream", so if
you're online, I'm screaming somewhere. ;) I'm like a more
conservative version of Howard Dean. heh.
As for the "next topic that fries my ass"...lets see how Looney
replies to the first post I made in this thread last night. <g>
I'm waiting to check out the blog..... Maybe the link will work this time.

The Looney thing kind of distressed me a little but then I guess anyone
hates to see two people they like and respect at odds with each other.
Being those that you are, however, I have faith it will work out.
Post by Wojo
There were more than a few "ones", and it seems like Wag was the
person who finally sent him packing, but I'm really curious which
"one" you're referring to so I can find out if I, personally, had a
major hand in sending a person I actually liked quite a bit out of
Usenet...I just thought we disagreed.
I wasn't referring to any one thread, but rather the entire period of time
that you guys were determined to piss each other off is all.

Speaking of Wag, I'd be interested to hear how he's doing. Emailed if
inappropriate.
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
Diplomacy, man.
Yeah. I used to be an expert...then I rebelled against it. :)
Find a middle ground, ya think?
Baby steps. I believe you've left the outer limits and are approaching the
outside edges of 'middle ground'.
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Post by Wojo
Shit. I AM a troll. :(
And so adept............ You pale only to Mr. Whelen. lol
Even during the short time that I was a "traditional" troll (since the
invention of the term, anyway) I paled, severely, to Robert Whelan.
He should be the God of Trolls.
And once you realize that it is just so enjoyable to read him. Until then,
though, I believe he has made a whole load of people seek therepy.
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Post by Scott
I know exactly what you mean. As soon as I re-read my original reply to you
I thought it sounded much less prolific and much more sanctimonious than I
ever would have intended.
It had a bit of "sanctimonious" in it, but I could never hold that
against you given the fact that I'm constantly telling people they're
idiots and morally disgusting...who'm I to judge advice? ;)
It definitely had a bit of the prolific to it, as you initially wanted
it to, apparently. Not a bad thing...it seems that over the past
couple years I have far more patience for long-windedness...because
I've become more longwinded than most people dream of being. <g>
Ahh but then that's a good combination because being called and idiot and
morally disgusting is much easier to swallow when you do it with three or
four paragraphs. ;-)
Post by Wojo
It's only because you were the only defense I had recently in a
private debate about my 'style' with regard to old school Vicki that I
thought to say that. :)
Wow now there's someone I haven't thought about in ages. I really feel bad
about pestering her the way I did. At first I thought she was just a troll
with no good reason to hate me, but after a while I realized that I took
enjoyment out of getting a rise out of her. Meaness. Only after she
actually went off the deep end did I know she wasn't just an attention
seeker and I wished I could offer up an apology to her for not seeing the
ever increasing signs that she was actually disturbed.
Post by Wojo
Yeah??? Well, she cherishes the cushion I FART ON, so don't get too
big a head, fella!
Oh that's just the beginning of her fetishes.
Post by Wojo
Oh, shit, jealousy.
Ummm...you should be careful, though, she's pretty susceptible to
charm.
What? Since when? Shit now *I'm* jealous.
Post by Wojo
Shit. This is bordering on a "love Sharon" thing...which we both know
we can't do, so you can just go on and have her. As long as I get to
hit her with a dictionary at some point, just to see...
On your own there. She scares the pee-waddly out of me. <I'm starting to
love that term>
Post by Wojo
Hey...if you swoon in my presence it simply means you recognize the
greatness that is Wojo...right? ;)
Well that's self evident. I get all teary-eyed just thinking about
it.......... but then maybe that's the pepper-spray.
Post by Wojo
Actually you made quite a lot of good points. Not much I didn't
"know", per se, but definitely things that I had seemingly forgotten,
and attributes you have that I truly wished I possessed...such as
liking other people for instance. ;) And having patience with
people...and...I think most importantly...your uncanny ability to
accept that differences of opinion are actually GOOD things.
Something I believe is true but never seem to, in actual experience,
accept. 'Tis me who should be swooning. Only your boobs are simply
not to my taste.
eck......... I don't take compliments well, but 'thanks'!............ and
my boobs taste fine.
Post by Wojo
I agree. The last time I swore on my son he puked on my head. Not a
good trade off. Don't swear on people...it's gross.
and evidentially it upsets one's stomach.......
Post by Wojo
Hey...I'm not the travelin' business dude, you are...when ya gonna be
in Cinti? It's not like I live in some obscure part of the country
anymore...
Do people that can keep up with you scare you?
They used to, but now there's so many of them that I just sit back in my
rocker and accept the fact that I need at least 30 hours of sleep a week to
subsist. I can't function on cat-naps at stop-lights like I used to.
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
She was far more anonymous than I. :) We who knew her actual name
were quite the privileged ones. <g>
Hmmmm.......... Her first name I believe I remember but I don't think I ever
knew her last. I wasn't nearly as close with her as you were, though.
Then
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
again, my memory is almost the shortest part of me so I may have known and
forgotten. :-/
And, quite frankly, that was as much a request as an arrogant
admittance that I ever knew her name to begin with, because I've gone
through like four computers since I last talked to her and I don't
remember her name anymore and...uhh...I was
hoping...uhh...nevermind...she's probably changed it 14 times since
then anyway. <g>
Kris or Kristy, but that's all I remember.
Wojo
2005-01-07 05:57:00 UTC
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Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
Masterbation doesn't count................ Usually.
I am actually pretty successful at that. :)
<sigh> Lucky for you. I wish I could say the same, but the Doc says no
heavy lifting.
Quit with the implements, then. The imagination is a powerful tool.
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
Nope. She must not have wanted me to know she'd been talking to you.
I wonder why THAT is?????
Excuse me a moment, I have to go wake her up...
LOL and yet you ask me to come to Cincy. heh.
Well, even though I don't show it very clearly, I *do* have faith that
I'm verifiably better than you. ;)
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
That's the weird thing about really nice cues (Richard Black, BTW, is
famous...and his cues are tremendously expensive) they're too pretty
to bang around with, too....intricate.
Mine is his Bushka model <seen at www.blackcues.com > and when I talked with
him I told him the same thing. He told me that even the cues he sells for
$50,000 he makes to be used. A cue without character and use is just a
useless stick to look at.
I swear I'm having deja vu, because I KNOW I've heard this story
before. Is there any chance you're revitalizing an event several
years old?

Regardless, he's right. Playability is always the first necessity.
Beauty is the second. It just so happens that the second is what
makes a cue worth $50,000 instead of $50. :)
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
Also...I hope your new Internet savvy partners don't read Usenet
because...uhhh...you don't appear to be too flattering toward them.
<g>
lol The headaches to which I was referring to were the businesses, not my
partners. They are young and ever so excitable and energitic. I remember
when I used to be just like them back before I got jaded and curmudgeony.
:-)
I understand that, for sure. But tell me, given their excitability,
do you ever hide just around the corner from them and jump out
unexpectedly just to see their reactions? I, personally, couldn't
stop myself from doing that.
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Post by Wojo
I know she will eventually read this thread, and your comments in
particular, but I don't think she'd agree with that last bit. I have
an entire book of Kestral Hot Buttons!!! ;)
It's for sale, but I doubt if I know anyone who can afford it, as it
will cost an arm and a leg...mine.
Ah well at least your used to her dealing out different parts of your body.
I mean she hands you your ass almost daily, right?
<shakes head sadly>

Indeed, I am. :(
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
A lesser person would use an over-used Internet acronym like "lol" or
some such, but I just can't bring myself to do it without a follow up.
Instead I'll write a short 3 paragraph speech amounting to exactly
dick.
lol
<snork>
I think it has been truly YEARS since anyone has given me a snork...I
may have to re-enlist to this group after all!!! Man, I miss snorks.
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Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
Smarter, more mature, exceedingly better looking and more well-endowed.
Let's not forget those.
Ever since that embarrassing time you confused me for gay and pulled
out your Johnson hoping for a little lovin' I've not forgotten, dude.
Finally! The recognition I've sought! Of course I suppose you could have
told me all of this then......... had your mouth not been so full. :-O
OMG....I'm so embarrassed.

The thing was...it WAS Thursday...the Prime Rib was on SPECIAL. I'm
sorry...I should have been more forthcoming and sensitive to your
needs.

I just had a hard time concentrating on more than my steak...you
simply were secondary. I'm sorry you had to take care of that
yourself. I'm sure I could have found you some help, had you been
more patient. Now you have this grudge...I truly hope we can work our
way past it.
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
I'm always around, just not always around here. Usenet and the very
brief quasi-blog I wrote are the only places I ever "scream", so if
you're online, I'm screaming somewhere. ;) I'm like a more
conservative version of Howard Dean. heh.
As for the "next topic that fries my ass"...lets see how Looney
replies to the first post I made in this thread last night. <g>
I'm waiting to check out the blog..... Maybe the link will work this time.
Yeah...you probably have some parental controls or something that make
my page seem too adult for your household. Sorry about that.
Post by Scott
The Looney thing kind of distressed me a little but then I guess anyone
hates to see two people they like and respect at odds with each other.
Being those that you are, however, I have faith it will work out.
I hope it does, I truly do. But I can't help but be pessimistic. :(
It's one thing...seeing eye to eye, but seeing eye to asshole I have a
hard time dealing with. May be my problem, but I don't think so.
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
There were more than a few "ones", and it seems like Wag was the
person who finally sent him packing, but I'm really curious which
"one" you're referring to so I can find out if I, personally, had a
major hand in sending a person I actually liked quite a bit out of
Usenet...I just thought we disagreed.
I wasn't referring to any one thread, but rather the entire period of time
that you guys were determined to piss each other off is all.
Yeah...it could have been rough. At the time I could have cared
less. Now I care more, but not much. <g>
Post by Scott
Speaking of Wag, I'd be interested to hear how he's doing. Emailed if
inappropriate.
I could neither respond nor email in a way that would enlighten you.
I simply don't know. He's not well, and I'm not well with him.
Therefore I have no relevant information to pass on.
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
It had a bit of "sanctimonious" in it, but I could never hold that
against you given the fact that I'm constantly telling people they're
idiots and morally disgusting...who'm I to judge advice? ;)
It definitely had a bit of the prolific to it, as you initially wanted
it to, apparently. Not a bad thing...it seems that over the past
couple years I have far more patience for long-windedness...because
I've become more longwinded than most people dream of being. <g>
Ahh but then that's a good combination because being called and idiot and
morally disgusting is much easier to swallow when you do it with three or
four paragraphs. ;-)
THAT'S IT!!!

For years I have lambasted people for saying too much to respond to
too little, and here I found myself doing the same thing. Maybe I've
mellowed after all. I can't help but call somebody an idiot, but I
probably decided, rather than do it directly, I would do it
slowly....so they would understand what I was saying. Idiots are
slow, after all.

Not much, there, in the way of a defense, but, hey, I'm me. ;)
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
It's only because you were the only defense I had recently in a
private debate about my 'style' with regard to old school Vicki that I
thought to say that. :)
Wow now there's someone I haven't thought about in ages. I really feel bad
about pestering her the way I did. At first I thought she was just a troll
with no good reason to hate me, but after a while I realized that I took
enjoyment out of getting a rise out of her. Meaness. Only after she
actually went off the deep end did I know she wasn't just an attention
seeker and I wished I could offer up an apology to her for not seeing the
ever increasing signs that she was actually disturbed.
You're not doing much to help my argument here, dude. :(

I ASSumed you were on the same page I was, which I am now forced to
question. Vicki and I shared dozens of emails which made it clear, to
me at least, that the confrontations were one of the few things that
kept her feeling sane. She was never really "there", per se, but I
really thought being a bastard toward her was something she
appreciated. She claimed it was. Which of us misread her, Scott?
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
Yeah??? Well, she cherishes the cushion I FART ON, so don't get too
big a head, fella!
Oh that's just the beginning of her fetishes.
See? Now I have to apologize for not being more available, because I
thought she was truly fetish free...boring, really.
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
Shit. This is bordering on a "love Sharon" thing...which we both know
we can't do, so you can just go on and have her. As long as I get to
hit her with a dictionary at some point, just to see...
On your own there. She scares the pee-waddly out of me. <I'm starting to
love that term>
I KNOW!!!!

I laughed my ass off at first, and then found it appropriately "new"
and amusing....Missy will one day be famous!
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
Actually you made quite a lot of good points. Not much I didn't
"know", per se, but definitely things that I had seemingly forgotten,
and attributes you have that I truly wished I possessed...such as
liking other people for instance. ;) And having patience with
people...and...I think most importantly...your uncanny ability to
accept that differences of opinion are actually GOOD things.
Something I believe is true but never seem to, in actual experience,
accept. 'Tis me who should be swooning. Only your boobs are simply
not to my taste.
eck......... I don't take compliments well, but 'thanks'!............ and
my boobs taste fine.
Me either, but I never referred to flavor. Freak.
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
And, quite frankly, that was as much a request as an arrogant
admittance that I ever knew her name to begin with, because I've gone
through like four computers since I last talked to her and I don't
remember her name anymore and...uhh...I was
hoping...uhh...nevermind...she's probably changed it 14 times since
then anyway. <g>
Kris or Kristy, but that's all I remember.
Yeah. Something like that. I suppose I could look at ICQ history,
but she's probably a terrorist by now. :)

Wojo

--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Lone Funman
2005-01-05 17:55:18 UTC
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Post by Wojo
Yes, in Satan's court I'd rock...and roll...all night long.
otherwise wouldn't have been. That's why I always flip out when
people call me a "Republican" or some such bullshit. I am who I am.
Err...I just brought politics into this.
Reminds me of the old Reader's Digest anecdote when a church was once full
to the limits. The subject was accidentally misnamed 'What Jesus saw in the
republican'.

&y, pretty far right himself ...

(sirandy at luukku dot com)
--
What happens to an 18 hour bra after 18 hours?
Wojo
2005-01-06 06:16:26 UTC
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Post by Lone Funman
Post by Wojo
Yes, in Satan's court I'd rock...and roll...all night long.
otherwise wouldn't have been. That's why I always flip out when
people call me a "Republican" or some such bullshit. I am who I am.
Err...I just brought politics into this.
Reminds me of the old Reader's Digest anecdote when a church was once full
to the limits. The subject was accidentally misnamed 'What Jesus saw in the
republican'.
&y, pretty far right himself ...
I guess you had to be there...

Wojo
Of the apparently ignorant Wojos who reads Readers Digest regularly
and still doesn't get it, but would get it if they had an anecdote
about, say, extraordinarily long sig lines.

--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Marco
2005-01-04 10:12:17 UTC
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Post by Wojo
For those of you who have been around less than three years, if you
dare to read this long post, expect not to understand it. It's for
those who will.
[CUT]

Hi Ken.
I take the liberty to reply even if this has not been directly
addressed to me.
Well, I've taken part in some of the most recent "troubles" that
developed around some of your posts.
What I can say now is, coupla things.
First, I must admit my faults: I was involved in those stories but most
of the times just because I "felt like" entering, but not because I had
felt personally attacked or provoked. What I mean, I've acted a wee bit
like Dubya ;-P
Then: I always tend to trust people. So I do trust you. A friend of
mine once said "You can forgive but you can't forget". Right, and I
can't also forget how much I liked reading your posts and that the
first reason why I looked for the AUG on the Berlin server was to read
more of them, from you and other friends.
So... welcome back, if you want to stay.

Marco
Wojo
2005-01-07 05:20:38 UTC
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Post by Marco
Hi Ken.
I take the liberty to reply even if this has not been directly
addressed to me.
I've yet to see a Usenet post directly addressed to a person that
wasn't of interest to many. That's the beauty of this forum, Marco.
Post by Marco
Well, I've taken part in some of the most recent "troubles" that
developed around some of your posts.
And you've tried damned hard to make good points, too...good on you.
:) You haven't really made them, but I commend your attempts. <g>
Post by Marco
What I can say now is, coupla things.
First, I must admit my faults: I was involved in those stories but most
of the times just because I "felt like" entering, but not because I had
felt personally attacked or provoked. What I mean, I've acted a wee bit
like Dubya ;-P
LOL!!!!

Hey...I've been doing that for years!!! I truly think people think
that that I sit behind my keyboard getting all red-faced. Or think
when people have gotten the better of me that I actually shed tears.
I haven't, I don't, I won't. I *do* tend to have emotional
hot-buttons, AUG not the least of them, but they don't transfer to my
actions and reactions IRL.

One thing I love about Usenet is the ability you gain to call a
fuckhead a fuckhead, when in real life, such opportunities rarely
exist without serious consequences. People in this forum are given
the opportunity to lay their most naked thoughts on the line for
judgment, and the judgment is often harsh, and how much better can it
get than the right to tell you you're an idiot when nobody is allowed
to do so otherwise?

I guarantee my employees would never have told me I was being stupid,
even if I was. It takes anonymity, such as that which is found here.

So I don't hold your own smacks upon my virtual face against you,
Marco, you were trying to be one of the many, rather than one of the
few, which, though not exactly remarkable, is understandable. :)
Post by Marco
Then: I always tend to trust people. So I do trust you. A friend of
mine once said "You can forgive but you can't forget". Right, and I
can't also forget how much I liked reading your posts and that the
first reason why I looked for the AUG on the Berlin server was to read
more of them, from you and other friends.
So... welcome back, if you want to stay.
And I thank you for that, Marco, truly. I'm glad that I was able to
influence a few people to find AUG, as it is a truly wonderful place
to cohabitate with probable like minds.

But I don't think it's right that you find forgiveness in your heart
for me, if you feel it's unnecessary simply because I am the reason
you're here. If Hitler impressed you because he told you you would
find maidens aplenty in his Reich, you'd have gone. Had he told you,
in retrospect, that he didn't realize that it would evolve into the
interment of Jews, you might not have. So to believe in me because I
intrigued you once upon a time is wrong. Base your opinion on fact,
Marco, not intrigue. And certainly don't "trust" somebody because you
met them first. That's truly sad.

Errr...ahhh...I just re-read that and it doesn't make an iota of sense
to me, but I'm hoping all the big words make sense to people who
AREN'T about to fall asleep, or at least to me, tomorrow, so I'll
leave it in.

My point, I'm sure, was to just do what you feel is right, Marco, not
what the person who led you to one place or another made you feel
obligated to do...even if that person was me...and I'm pretty awesome

Wojo
And drunk, I'm also pretty drunk, so if that made sense more power to
you. :)
--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Looney
2005-01-04 23:18:44 UTC
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Post by Wojo
For those of you who have been around less than three years, if you
dare to read this long post, expect not to understand it. It's for
those who will.
Oh well, I guess we all can't share in the "miracle"...
--
Looney
-------------------------------------------------------------
Rant of the Loon
http://looneytoohey.blogspot.com/
Wojo
2005-01-05 04:08:31 UTC
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Post by Looney
Post by Wojo
For those of you who have been around less than three years, if you
dare to read this long post, expect not to understand it. It's for
those who will.
Oh well, I guess we all can't share in the "miracle"...
I just did something I rarely do.

I read all the posts to this moment in this thread without responding
even though so many of them tried to demand a response from me!
Scott's certainly did, Susie's certainly did, TRACY's certainly
did...all POSITIVE responses. Hell, Sharon called me her "best
friend"...a title I'm definitely not worthy of, yet I didn't respond.

So maybe I'm about to show my ass by only responding to THIS one
tonight. Maybe it's too hard to respond to the good stuff. :(

But I can't help but ask what this means.

I'm not going to go all Wojo on you here, Looney, but you, more than a
LOT of people, know where I come from. If your short statement above
is the mini-dis I think it is than it clearly stems from our far more
recent skirmishes which were at one time unthinkable, and which
certainly go against the nature of the post I made above.

If you were misreading my line, I'll explain it: It means that the
majority of my anger in this group seems to stem from things that
happened before a lot of people here had ever even heard of this
group, let alone me. I was simply trying to make it clear to them
that they didn't fully comprehend my actions, even if I was wrong on
every occasion.

However you WERE here, you HAVE been around, and therefore I can't
believe you misinterpreted me...therefore I must ASSume you are the
one person wanting to pick a fight with me in this thread. Tracy, a
person whom I've not said one nice thing about nor has she said one
nice thing about me in about four years now took the high road.

I find it odd that a person that I got along famously with until less
than a year ago took the firey path...the...dare I say
it...UnChristian road.

Not that I was trying to be a good Christian here, because that dude
up there certainly knows I ain't, but you claim to be. I wonder.

Wojo
Who will not follow up on responses to this, if there are any, until
he follows up on the more deserving ones. (That's it!! They require
more THOUGHT!)

Shit. I was going to go to bed.

--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Sharon
2005-01-05 09:20:41 UTC
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Post by Wojo
Hell, Sharon called me her "best
friend"...a title I'm definitely not worthy of,
PPPLLLLLTTTT, I think I'm the only one qualified to decide that dont you?
Post by Wojo
yet I didn't respond.
And?
I have emails here from the last two days from Scott, Janet, and yourself
that I havent replied to... prolly never will. Its not a cardinal sin and I
hope no-one changes their opinion of a non responder over it.

sharon
Scott
2005-01-05 15:58:21 UTC
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Post by Sharon
And?
I have emails here from the last two days from Scott, Janet, and yourself
that I havent replied to...
sharon
WHAT!?!?!? You *bitch*!


but then I guess we already knew that, didn't we................

;-)

Scott
Sharon
2005-01-05 18:43:24 UTC
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Post by Scott
WHAT!?!?!? You *bitch*!
Woof-Woof! Pant-pant!

sharon
will get around to replying at some point no doubt
Wojo
2005-01-06 06:28:02 UTC
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Post by Sharon
Post by Scott
WHAT!?!?!? You *bitch*!
Woof-Woof! Pant-pant!
I really can't tell who's stalking whom... ;)
Post by Sharon
sharon
will get around to replying at some point no doubt
"I have emails here from the last two days from Scott, Janet, and
yourself that I havent replied to... prolly never will."

- Sharon

LOL!!!

Figures you'll hear from Janet too. ;)

Wojo
Of the reads all at once Wojos

--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Sharon
2005-01-06 09:38:26 UTC
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Post by Wojo
LOL!!!
Figures you'll hear from Janet too. ;)
And..... I DID! <g>

sharon
loves her Janet
Wojo
2005-01-07 05:57:58 UTC
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Post by Sharon
Post by Wojo
LOL!!!
Figures you'll hear from Janet too. ;)
And..... I DID! <g>
Wow...I'm baffled. ;)
Post by Sharon
sharon
loves her Janet
You should. She has multiple defense mechanisms, not the least of
which is pepper spray. ;)

Wojo
--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Wojo
2005-01-06 06:26:04 UTC
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Post by Sharon
Post by Wojo
Hell, Sharon called me her "best
friend"...a title I'm definitely not worthy of,
PPPLLLLLTTTT, I think I'm the only one qualified to decide that dont you?
<shakes head sadly>

No...I'm in competition with some dude made of gas.

;)
Post by Sharon
Post by Wojo
yet I didn't respond.
And?
And it was enough, this realization, to make me go ahead and respond
to a bunch of other stuff after being awake for 36 straight hours (my
own decision in an attempt to make up for a bad one). After I said
all that stuff I couldn't just go to bed leaving Looney's negative
post being the only one I replied to, as though all that positive shit
didn't deserve my attention. :)
Post by Sharon
I have emails here from the last two days from Scott, Janet, and yourself
that I havent replied to... prolly never will. Its not a cardinal sin and I
hope no-one changes their opinion of a non responder over it.
LOL!

That was the most diplomatic post I've ever seen. :)

From my own standpoint I understand...I was in the midst of leaving
for the afternoon when the emails might as well have been ICQ
messages...thus the timing would have been wrong. :)

Can I borrow you the next time I have a bunch of stuff I haven't
replied to?

In fact YOU are the one that has put an old unreplied to message from
Debs back into my inbox...so help me!!!

Wojo
--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Sharon
2005-01-06 09:37:41 UTC
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Post by Wojo
In fact YOU are the one that has put an old unreplied to message from
Debs back into my inbox...so help me!!!
BWAHAHAHA!
Try responding, at least once to her, just to say hi. Shes starting to
think you dont like anymore.

sharon
advice for modern living
Wojo
2005-01-07 05:59:10 UTC
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Post by Sharon
Post by Wojo
In fact YOU are the one that has put an old unreplied to message from
Debs back into my inbox...so help me!!!
BWAHAHAHA!
Yes, Ms. Laughalot. I hear you. Amplify? NO!
Post by Sharon
Try responding, at least once to her, just to say hi. Shes starting to
think you dont like anymore.
I did!!!

How do you respond to a life story???????????
Post by Sharon
sharon
advice for modern living
Yeah, you're practically Martha fucking Stewart. ;)

Wojo

--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Sharon
2005-01-07 10:12:04 UTC
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Post by Wojo
Post by Sharon
BWAHAHAHA!
Yes, Ms. Laughalot. I hear you. Amplify? NO!
I'm enjoying reading you, do you MIND?
Post by Wojo
Post by Sharon
Try responding, at least once to her, just to say hi. Shes starting to
think you dont like anymore.
I did!!!
How do you respond to a life story???????????
With interested comments and an explanation of what you've been doing since
you last spoke, shit man, do you have no social skills or what?

sharon

Scott
2005-01-05 15:56:17 UTC
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Post by Wojo
Post by Looney
Post by Wojo
For those of you who have been around less than three years, if you
dare to read this long post, expect not to understand it. It's for
those who will.
Oh well, I guess we all can't share in the "miracle"...
<piggy-backing for a moment>

Looney? The antagonist? This is something I haven't seen from you before
<maybe I just don't pay attention>.

Not knowing what spurred this show of bristling angst, I am very curious to
see how this one shakes out.......... despite the fact that bothers me to
think that the two of you are at odds.
Post by Wojo
...therefore I must ASSume you are the
one person wanting to pick a fight with me in this thread.
Well Woj, you had to know you weren't going to go away *completely*
unscathed, dincha? I mean, what fun would there be in that?

Now, if the two of you would like, I have a bell and I do quite an admirable
Michael Buffer impression. ;-)

Scott
Wojo
2005-01-06 06:32:38 UTC
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Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
Post by Looney
Oh well, I guess we all can't share in the "miracle"...
<piggy-backing for a moment>
Looney? The antagonist? This is something I haven't seen from you before
<maybe I just don't pay attention>.
Not knowing what spurred this show of bristling angst, I am very curious to
see how this one shakes out.......... despite the fact that bothers me to
think that the two of you are at odds.
Post by Wojo
...therefore I must ASSume you are the
one person wanting to pick a fight with me in this thread.
Well Woj, you had to know you weren't going to go away *completely*
unscathed, dincha? I mean, what fun would there be in that?
Heh. Actually I have been really uplifted by the replies to this,
otherwise I might have been far more venomous in my reply to Looney.
I was in too high of spirits to reply as my instantaneous fingers
wanted me to. :)

I wasn't "unscathed", though. A lot of people, yourself included,
didn't hold back in pointing out my faults. But they did so in a way
I didn't find so much insulting as I found them as honest criticism.
Looney chose a road I can't adhere to, however, if I read his short
statement correctly.
Post by Scott
Now, if the two of you would like, I have a bell and I do quite an admirable
Michael Buffer impression. ;-)
Somehow I think that would amuse us both, but likely not do so much
good beyond that. But go ahead and try...I've never seen that
attempted on Usenet before.

Wojo

--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Looney
2005-01-06 17:18:47 UTC
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Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
Post by Wojo
Post by Looney
Oh well, I guess we all can't share in the "miracle"...
<piggy-backing for a moment>
Looney? The antagonist? This is something I haven't seen from you before
<maybe I just don't pay attention>.
Not knowing what spurred this show of bristling angst, I am very curious to
see how this one shakes out.......... despite the fact that bothers me to
think that the two of you are at odds.
Post by Wojo
...therefore I must ASSume you are the
one person wanting to pick a fight with me in this thread.
Well Woj, you had to know you weren't going to go away *completely*
unscathed, dincha? I mean, what fun would there be in that?
Heh. Actually I have been really uplifted by the replies to this,
otherwise I might have been far more venomous in my reply to Looney.
I was in too high of spirits to reply as my instantaneous fingers
wanted me to. :)
Heh, don't do me any favors, tiger. You missed the opportunity to take the
high road a long time ago, though it's nice to see you come scrabbling back,
if only part way...
Post by Wojo
I wasn't "unscathed", though. A lot of people, yourself included,
didn't hold back in pointing out my faults. But they did so in a way
I didn't find so much insulting as I found them as honest criticism.
Looney chose a road I can't adhere to, however, if I read his short
statement correctly.
Dood, you didn't, but I'll take the hit for being unclear.
--
Looney
-------------------------------------------------------------
Rant of the Loon
http://looneytoohey.blogspot.com/
Wojo
2005-01-07 06:10:57 UTC
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Post by Looney
Post by Wojo
Post by Scott
Well Woj, you had to know you weren't going to go away *completely*
unscathed, dincha? I mean, what fun would there be in that?
Heh. Actually I have been really uplifted by the replies to this,
otherwise I might have been far more venomous in my reply to Looney.
I was in too high of spirits to reply as my instantaneous fingers
wanted me to. :)
Heh, don't do me any favors, tiger. You missed the opportunity to take the
high road a long time ago, though it's nice to see you come scrabbling back,
if only part way...
I'm not "scrabbling back", as you put it, Looney. The posts I've made
have been AUG specific, which have no bearing, whatsoever, on my
relationship with you.

Your "part way" comment simply clarifies your closed mind. I don't
owe you an apology, as I do some others, and I'll not issue you one.
If you want a classic Wojo comment, fine, I'll give you one: Fuck
off. I haven't done anything I feel justifies your posts, and I'll
not apologize for the things you think I've done wrong. I've shown
that I'm more than capable of admitting where I'm wrong, but I invite
anyone to Google alt.pub.cloven-shield and see if I was unfair to you,
because I wasn't. So either you can put your balls in a place where
their significant girth can be of use or you can suck on them
yourself. I, personally, don't care which horrifying decision you
make.
Post by Looney
Post by Wojo
I wasn't "unscathed", though. A lot of people, yourself included,
didn't hold back in pointing out my faults. But they did so in a way
I didn't find so much insulting as I found them as honest criticism.
Looney chose a road I can't adhere to, however, if I read his short
statement correctly.
Dood, you didn't, but I'll take the hit for being unclear.
If anyone wishes to intervene and tell me where I was wrong in my
reactions I welcome input. If I misread you you have yet to show what
you DID mean. You have simply shown that you do not approve of me, my
tactics, or my beliefs. That's fine, if it's clear, but if you feel
I'm a horrible person as a result of them, let us discuss that, shall
we? I'd be more than happy to bring the original discussion to the
minds of AUG, and let the topic fend for itself.

Wojo

--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Looney
2005-01-05 16:29:57 UTC
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Post by Wojo
Post by Looney
Post by Wojo
For those of you who have been around less than three years, if you
dare to read this long post, expect not to understand it. It's for
those who will.
Oh well, I guess we all can't share in the "miracle"...
I just did something I rarely do.
I read all the posts to this moment in this thread without responding
even though so many of them tried to demand a response from me!
Scott's certainly did, Susie's certainly did, TRACY's certainly
did...all POSITIVE responses. Hell, Sharon called me her "best
friend"...a title I'm definitely not worthy of, yet I didn't respond.
So maybe I'm about to show my ass by only responding to THIS one
tonight. Maybe it's too hard to respond to the good stuff. :(
But I can't help but ask what this means.
C'mon, Woj, don't be so obtuse. You know what it means.
Post by Wojo
I'm not going to go all Wojo on you here, Looney, but you, more than a
LOT of people, know where I come from. If your short statement above
is the mini-dis I think it is than it clearly stems from our far more
recent skirmishes which were at one time unthinkable, and which
certainly go against the nature of the post I made above.
It isn't a dis. It's genuine disappointment that our conflict wasn't
addressed. I don't think you realize how much you and Kes hurt me.
Post by Wojo
If you were misreading my line, I'll explain it: It means that the
majority of my anger in this group seems to stem from things that
happened before a lot of people here had ever even heard of this
group, let alone me. I was simply trying to make it clear to them
that they didn't fully comprehend my actions, even if I was wrong on
every occasion.
Fair enough.
Post by Wojo
However you WERE here, you HAVE been around, and therefore I can't
believe you misinterpreted me...therefore I must ASSume you are the
one person wanting to pick a fight with me in this thread.
No, didn't want any fight. I really thought there would be something there
for me to grab onto, but there wasn't, and I was disappointed, because I
liked the way we were, not the way we are.
Post by Wojo
Tracy, a
person whom I've not said one nice thing about nor has she said one
nice thing about me in about four years now took the high road.
That's fine. I told the truth about how I felt.
Post by Wojo
I find it odd that a person that I got along famously with until less
than a year ago took the firey path...the...dare I say
it...UnChristian road.
I told the truth. I expressed my disappointment, albeit unclearly.
Hopefully that is now remedied.
Post by Wojo
Not that I was trying to be a good Christian here, because that dude
up there certainly knows I ain't, but you claim to be. I wonder.
Low blow, but what's a few among friends. I'll just wait to see how it
shakes out.
Post by Wojo
Wojo
Who will not follow up on responses to this, if there are any, until
he follows up on the more deserving ones. (That's it!! They require
more THOUGHT!)
Hmmmmm...
Post by Wojo
Shit. I was going to go to bed.
Hey, don't let me stop you.
--
Looney
-------------------------------------------------------------
Rant of the Loon
http://looneytoohey.blogspot.com/
Wojo
2005-01-06 07:38:17 UTC
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Looney squeezed out a good one with:

I feel like an old-schooler ABSK'er who simply couldn't abide by
off-topic posts, but I felt I should re-thread this because it's very
personal. I have no problem discussing it publicly because I'm more
than happy to hear other opinions (though the likelihood of that is
rare given that those that might have a clue what the majority of this
refers to have already had an opportunity and declined to speak up
about it).

But I had a very clear point to make in the original thread, and,
though discussing it there could have some bearing on it, I think
because it didn't stem from the original problem it might obscure it.

This is about a recent disagreement between Looney and myself that has
branched from another group. This will, likely, turn into a
religiously based disagreement. And it might, depending on our
responses to one another, get kind of ugly and it most definitely will
be kind of personal. All in all it belongs in email, but since it
didn't begin there it won't end there.

If all of that turns you off, kill this thread.

And now on to it.
Post by Looney
Post by Wojo
Post by Looney
Post by Wojo
For those of you who have been around less than three years, if you
dare to read this long post, expect not to understand it. It's for
those who will.
Oh well, I guess we all can't share in the "miracle"...
I just did something I rarely do.
I read all the posts to this moment in this thread without responding
even though so many of them tried to demand a response from me!
Scott's certainly did, Susie's certainly did, TRACY's certainly
did...all POSITIVE responses. Hell, Sharon called me her "best
friend"...a title I'm definitely not worthy of, yet I didn't respond.
So maybe I'm about to show my ass by only responding to THIS one
tonight. Maybe it's too hard to respond to the good stuff. :(
But I can't help but ask what this means.
C'mon, Woj, don't be so obtuse. You know what it means.
If I was certain, Looney, I wouldn't have pretended I wasn't. It was
a very short post that could be interpreted and/or misinterpreted in a
number of ways. Had I responded as though I "knew" you would or could
have told me I read you wrong. I've been down this road more than a
few times so I gave you the benefit of the doubt. If it turns out my
assumptions were right, we should skip all this diplomatic bullshit
and get down to it. But I wasn't about to pretend I could read your
inner psyche simply by reading the line "Oh well, I guess we all can't
share in the "miracle"..."because that would be opening myself up for
all sorts of things that you certainly have the skill to turn into
something they were never meant to be.

I know tactics, Looney.
Post by Looney
Post by Wojo
I'm not going to go all Wojo on you here, Looney, but you, more than a
LOT of people, know where I come from. If your short statement above
is the mini-dis I think it is than it clearly stems from our far more
recent skirmishes which were at one time unthinkable, and which
certainly go against the nature of the post I made above.
It isn't a dis. It's genuine disappointment that our conflict wasn't
addressed. I don't think you realize how much you and Kes hurt me.
And *I* think that that conflict, which occurred elsewhere, has no
application here, since I expressly decided to make this post to AUG,
even though I know that some of the sentences could have been
interpreted to read that the Shield doesn't matter to me, which anyone
who knows me knows that it does.

But in response to what you're saying: if we "hurt" you, you
certainly didn't make that evident...all you did was defensively flame
the fuck out of anyone who disagreed with you. You, IMO, called into
question other people's faith simply because they called into question
your application of your own...and make sure you read that right...I
said APPLICATION. In other words neither myself, my bride, nor anyone
else has ever doubted your faith, just how you have chosen to apply it
to life. There's a pretty significant difference between the two and
I'd be happy to discuss this as deeply and for as long as you'd like.

I will say, however, that what my wife has to say and what I have to
say are noticeably different. I have never come to her defense, nor
she to mine, so if you've come to feel that this is the case, you are
seriously mistaken. I respond to comments that I feel are things that
I must respond to, and for no reason beyond that.

And to make it clear, though I may come across as some born again
Christian sometimes because I believe firmly in peoples' rights, I am
not, in any way, a man of god. I don't know what I am, but my stance
on that subject hasn't changed for decades. Though how I feel has
never been clear, not even to me.
Post by Looney
Post by Wojo
If you were misreading my line, I'll explain it: It means that the
majority of my anger in this group seems to stem from things that
happened before a lot of people here had ever even heard of this
group, let alone me. I was simply trying to make it clear to them
that they didn't fully comprehend my actions, even if I was wrong on
every occasion.
Fair enough.
A weak response, I must say, given that this is the statement you
chose to quote in your less than acceptable post.
Post by Looney
Post by Wojo
However you WERE here, you HAVE been around, and therefore I can't
believe you misinterpreted me...therefore I must ASSume you are the
one person wanting to pick a fight with me in this thread.
No, didn't want any fight. I really thought there would be something there
for me to grab onto, but there wasn't, and I was disappointed, because I
liked the way we were, not the way we are.
And, I don't mean to turn this into a fight simply with the following
statement, but I must make it anyway: What, in my original post, made
you feel that my disagreements with you had any bearing whatsoever on
my desire to make it? Yes, my arguments with you entered my brain
when I was deciding who deserved a post from me for past
indiscretions, because God knows I made some elsewhere as well, but
once I'd decided to post to AUG I don't know how you could possibly
come into play at all, given I've never gone face to face with you
here in all the years of our acquaintance. Therefore your post was so
personal as to be senseless to the average member of the group. You
should have decided to continue on with this in the Shield. I clearly
wasn't comfortable with our monopolizing it, but I'm also not
comfortable with bringing irrelevant shit here.
Post by Looney
Post by Wojo
Tracy, a
person whom I've not said one nice thing about nor has she said one
nice thing about me in about four years now took the high road.
That's fine. I told the truth about how I felt.
Looney...your statement was this:

"Oh well, I guess we all can't share in the "miracle"..."

That's the "truth about how you felt"?

It's a dis...a personal attempt to bring a personal grievance into a
place and/or thread it doesn't fit. The only people here who could
possibly understand it are the people that read the group your
grievance originated from. Those people clearly didn't care to get
involved then. Therefore the only thing you're doing here is saying
"fuck you Wojo, I don't care what you say, I still am pissed at you".

And that's fine, Looney, you're welcome to be pissed at me. But if
there's any hope of our working out our ills it needs to be done in a
less obstructive manner than simply posting imperceptible digs at any
given opportunity, no matter how pointless.
Post by Looney
Post by Wojo
I find it odd that a person that I got along famously with until less
than a year ago took the firey path...the...dare I say
it...UnChristian road.
I told the truth. I expressed my disappointment, albeit unclearly.
Hopefully that is now remedied.
No. It's not. Not even slightly. It's "clarified", if that's what
you were hoping for. I now know that you have been living with this
deep piece of discontent in your belly that was, apparently,
unresolved when you decided to quit discussing it. But that's not my
fault, Looney. You could have continued discussing it, and if doing
so publicly made you uncomfortable you could have emailed me, but you
did neither. You decided it was easier to live with
resentment...something I can absolutely sympathize with given that my
original post in this thread dealt with my recognition of that very
weakness.

You chose to attack me, in a minalist way that few would comprehend,
at the first opportunity...and, given my forgiving and
self-aggrieviating state of mind you clearly thought I would treat
this inadequacy with the same value of respect I would treat Tracy,
Cat, or anyone else I might possibly have wronged in the past. But
you clearly didn't find something to "grab onto". Sorry about that.
I'd have apologized to you as well, had you ever given me reason to.
My only apology is that I didn't try hard enough to find a way to
resolve this issue as the friends we once were.
Post by Looney
Post by Wojo
Not that I was trying to be a good Christian here, because that dude
up there certainly knows I ain't, but you claim to be. I wonder.
Low blow, but what's a few among friends. I'll just wait to see how it
shakes out.
As will I. I actually considered retracting that sentence, but I
truly feel it's adequate as I don't believe your treatment of me fends
well considering your apparently unshakable Christian faith. I have
no problem with Christians, Looney, I married one, but I have a severe
problem with those that disagree with their beliefs and feel that
we're immoral as a result of that. In case you failed to notice I
also made a post against Kimmer's use of the word "X-Mas" claiming it
was in the original lyrics of the John Lennon song, which it wasn't.
I defend Christians as well as non-Christians when it comes to issues
that I care about.
Post by Looney
Post by Wojo
Wojo
Who will not follow up on responses to this, if there are any, until
he follows up on the more deserving ones. (That's it!! They require
more THOUGHT!)
Hmmmmm...
That, unlike the prior statement, WAS a low blow, but it was a TRUE
low blow. Somehow I find thanking people and/or being nice to people
who said nice things to me or did nice things for me more difficult
than dealing with people who wish me ill will. I know how
dysfunctional that is, and I'm trying to address it. That, of course,
was the point of this post to begin with, but you ignored it because
you were too recently on my bad side.
Post by Looney
Post by Wojo
Shit. I was going to go to bed.
Hey, don't let me stop you.
But, alas, you did. I forced myself to stay up significantly longer
than I should because I was uncomfortable responding only to the
negative post...a weakness of mine I would like to get over. :)

Wojo
Who forced himself to stay awake for a day and a half to make up for a
prior mistake only to find himself on Usenet when he had no reason not
to be asleep.


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Kimmer
2005-01-06 15:52:57 UTC
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I just have to reply to this, as it appears I'm being taken to task on
this again.
Post by Wojo
In case you failed to notice I
also made a post against Kimmer's use of the word "X-Mas" claiming it
was in the original lyrics of the John Lennon song, which it wasn't.
I defend Christians as well as non-Christians when it comes to issues
that I care about.
Then why in my copy of The John Lennon Collection, which is where I got
the lyrics the first time I posted it, is the song entitled 'Happy Xmas
(War Is Over)' with the lyrics written as 'So this is Xmas'? Explain
that one. It also appears as such here, which is where I got the lyrics
this year:
http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/john_lennon/happy_xmas_war_is_over.html

This goes along with the lyric sheet in the CD I have.

Sheesh, I've said this time and time again. I grew up as a
church-going, very devout Lutheran in a very conservatively Lutheran
household, and my family going back a couple generations has used Xmas
as an abbreviation for Christmas. I do know people who see using 'Xmas'
as an attempt to eliminate any mention of Christ, but these people also
fail to understand the symbolism of that 'X'; the Greek letter 'chi',
which is the first letter in their word 'Christ', looks like an 'X'.

Unbelievable. Here I am being accused of making this up. I have given
my documentation for it every year since I was raked over the coals for
it the year I announced my switch to paganism. Amazing how I wasn't
called on it the year before that, when I was still calling myself
Christian. Double standard, anyone? Then again, the people that applies
to probably won't catch it, as has been my experience on Usenet for many
years now. So be it.

Kimmer
kimagreenfieldatyahoodotcom
Scott
2005-01-06 19:57:08 UTC
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Post by Kimmer
Sheesh, I've said this time and time again. I grew up as a
church-going, very devout Lutheran in a very conservatively Lutheran
household, and my family going back a couple generations has used Xmas
as an abbreviation for Christmas. I do know people who see using 'Xmas'
as an attempt to eliminate any mention of Christ, but these people also
fail to understand the symbolism of that 'X'; the Greek letter 'chi',
which is the first letter in their word 'Christ', looks like an 'X'.
Unbelievable. Here I am being accused of making this up. I have given
my documentation for it every year since I was raked over the coals for
it the year I announced my switch to paganism. Amazing how I wasn't
called on it the year before that, when I was still calling myself
Christian. Double standard, anyone? Then again, the people that applies
to probably won't catch it, as has been my experience on Usenet for many
years now. So be it.
Kimmer
kimagreenfieldatyahoodotcom
I believe he was siting his argument with you for the purpose of pointing
out that he was simply not picking on Looney because of his beliefs.

He believes that "Xmas" was not the original lyrics of the song and you do.
So what? I don't think it's any reason to come stomping in with you head
held high like Joan of Arc, spouting that you're being persecuted as a
heretic or something.

Every time somebody even mentions religious beliefs, instead of listening
and debating you start ranting about how everyone is picking on Kimmer for
not being a Christian. So far, I haven't seen much sign of that and the
being 'raked over the coals' as you see it, I call civil debate and
difference of opinion. I don't see anyone fixin' to burn you at the stake.
I do, however, see unprovoked abrasiveness being met with abrasiveness.

I understand you are very vehement when it comes to your beliefs, but you
have to give the same leaway to those whose opinions differ. Sheesh. Chill
a little.

Scott
Kimmer
2005-01-06 22:36:59 UTC
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Post by Scott
I believe he was siting his argument with you for the purpose of pointing
out that he was simply not picking on Looney because of his beliefs.
He believes that "Xmas" was not the original lyrics of the song and you do.
It's not just that I 'believe' it. I have it in print on the lyric
sheet that came in the CD.
Post by Scott
So what? I don't think it's any reason to come stomping in with you head
held high like Joan of Arc, spouting that you're being persecuted as a
heretic or something.
I'm not. I got sick of the same people griping about how I spelled
'Christmas' as 'Xmas' in that post, even after I showed where I got it
from. That's all. And the first time anyone said anything about this
spelling was after I was no longer calling myself Christian.
Post by Scott
Every time somebody even mentions religious beliefs, instead of listening
and debating you start ranting about how everyone is picking on Kimmer for
not being a Christian. So far, I haven't seen much sign of that and the
being 'raked over the coals' as you see it, I call civil debate and
difference of opinion. I don't see anyone fixin' to burn you at the stake.
I do, however, see unprovoked abrasiveness being met with
abrasiveness.

Excuse me. I'm sorry if I'm taking stuff that happened elsewhere over
here, but some of the people who did take me to task about this do or
did post here.

I first posted the lyrics to 'Happy Xmas' back in 1999, using the
spelling as I found it in the CD, The John Lennon Collection. I started
on my current path in November 2000, and that year when I posted the
*exact same lyrics* I was blasted for not typing it as 'Christmas'. The
only thing that changed was that these people knew that I was no longer
Christian.
Post by Scott
I understand you are very vehement when it comes to your beliefs, but you
have to give the same leaway to those whose opinions differ. Sheesh.
Chill
Post by Scott
a little.
'A little leaway' <sic>...interesting. I would expect the same from
others, yet that's not what I get most of the time. It's amazing how
people who had known me online for a few years completely changed in
their attitudes towards me when I made my spiritual path known. The
only thing that was different was what I was calling myself, but you
wouldn't have known it from some of the posts that were aimed at me for
even the most innocuous thing. Heck, one of the folks who liked to
spout 'respond to the post, not the poster' was most guilty of doing
just what he was claiming I did; this person once erroneously assumed
that I responded to someone the way I did because that person was
Christian, but I guess the fact that I completely disagreed with what
that person had posted and responded in to that had nothing to do with
how I responded. No, in this person's eyes, at least at that time,
everything I posted was based completely on the religion of the person I
was responding to. Yeah, right. Okay. Whatever.

I still see the people who say 'respond to the post, not the poster'
doing just what they decry and accuse others of doing, yet call them on
this and you better be wearing asbestos underwear. I have never
responded to a post based who made the post. I will, however, defend
myself and cite where I found my information when someone accuses me of
making stuff up or whatever.

Kimmer
kimagreenfieldatyahoodotcom
Wojo
2005-01-07 06:56:56 UTC
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Post by Kimmer
Post by Scott
So what? I don't think it's any reason to come stomping in with you
head
Post by Scott
held high like Joan of Arc, spouting that you're being persecuted as a
heretic or something.
I'm not. I got sick of the same people griping about how I spelled
'Christmas' as 'Xmas' in that post, even after I showed where I got it
from. That's all. And the first time anyone said anything about this
spelling was after I was no longer calling myself Christian.
And, therefore, you blame all people who put their faith in Christ for
taking offense, even though you seem to be trying to understand their
point of view? What deity do you pray to that feels this is
acceptable behavior?

BTW, I've been around awhile, and this only became an issue, regarding
you at least, in the past three years.
Post by Kimmer
I first posted the lyrics to 'Happy Xmas' back in 1999, using the
spelling as I found it in the CD, The John Lennon Collection. I started
on my current path in November 2000, and that year when I posted the
*exact same lyrics* I was blasted for not typing it as 'Christmas'. The
only thing that changed was that these people knew that I was no longer
Christian.
It seems to me, that after taking a lambasting, you might have changed
your tactics had you believed in the rest of the lyrics of the song
you posted. You decided, instead, to post the controversial version
of the song and attempted to defend yourself for doing so.

Why, Kimmer, after so many people objected to you changing the
commonly accepted lyrics did you continue to do so year after year if
not to try to make a point that you felt was essential?

You'll never convince me that you were simply wishing everyone a happy
"X-Mas" because that's what your album sleeve tells you, sadly, to do.
You are being political, and you are, year after year, looking like an
asshole. Tough to deal with, isn't it. If only you had Gryph to
speak for you like you used to, things might seem more palatable.
Post by Kimmer
Post by Scott
I understand you are very vehement when it comes to your beliefs, but
you
Post by Scott
have to give the same leaway to those whose opinions differ. Sheesh.
Chill
Post by Scott
a little.
'A little leaway' <sic>...interesting. I would expect the same from
others, yet that's not what I get most of the time. It's amazing how
people who had known me online for a few years completely changed in
their attitudes towards me when I made my spiritual path known. The
only thing that was different was what I was calling myself, but you
wouldn't have known it from some of the posts that were aimed at me for
even the most innocuous thing. Heck, one of the folks who liked to
spout 'respond to the post, not the poster' was most guilty of doing
just what he was claiming I did; this person once erroneously assumed
that I responded to someone the way I did because that person was
Christian, but I guess the fact that I completely disagreed with what
that person had posted and responded in to that had nothing to do with
how I responded. No, in this person's eyes, at least at that time,
everything I posted was based completely on the religion of the person I
was responding to. Yeah, right. Okay. Whatever.
Kimmer. I don't know if you are referring to me. I Do know that once
upon a time I respected you and then our relationship went sour
because you seemed to turn into a puppet for a person I couldn't
continue to respect.

Back then you were an awesome person by my standard. You had personal
integrity with issues that you were dealing with, and I was happy to
help you with them. You had a friend from overseas who was joining me
in welcoming you into this new reality. I truly cared about you. I
know I've not shown it in recent years, but then you really mattered.

Since then, however, you've chosen to walk a road that neither I nor
anyone else even understands, much less accepts. You've chosen to
villafy people who don't agree with your religious positions. You've
ostracized people simply because they weren't Pagan too. You've gone
from being grossly dependant on an insufferable person to being
grossly independent toward yourself and fuck-all to those who had
tried to stand by your side.

The result is what you see. You have the opportunity to try to make
it right, but you choose to make it intolerable, and I have no
inclination to help you see the folly of your ways beyond this post.
Post by Kimmer
I still see the people who say 'respond to the post, not the poster'
doing just what they decry and accuse others of doing, yet call them on
this and you better be wearing asbestos underwear. I have never
responded to a post based who made the post. I will, however, defend
myself and cite where I found my information when someone accuses me of
making stuff up or whatever.
That's very touching, and true. I, personally, have preached and
broken my word. I have absolutely said "post not poster" and still
attacked the poster due, solely, to prior posts. I'm guilty, I admit
it, and I'm sorry. In this case I can't help but feel that you're
being as hypocritical as I've ever been because you're clearly, in my
overly bloated head, referring to me. You say you've never posted
based on the poster, but your anger is clearly here.

I'm sorry I've mislead you, because I mislead myself as well. The one
rule I haven't broken is that I speak what I think, regardless of the
recipient or likely listener. That has, more than a few times, proved
that I'm an asshole...but it also has proven that there's a difference
between us...you're an asshole too...I'm simply more likely to admit
it.

Wojo
--
http://www.wojo.da.ru
Wojo
2005-01-07 06:25:55 UTC
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Post by Scott
Post by Kimmer
Unbelievable. Here I am being accused of making this up. I have given
my documentation for it every year since I was raked over the coals for
it the year I announced my switch to paganism. Amazing how I wasn't
called on it the year before that, when I was still calling myself
Christian. Double standard, anyone? Then again, the people that applies
to probably won't catch it, as has been my experience on Usenet for many
years now. So be it.
Kimmer
kimagreenfieldatyahoodotcom
I believe he was siting his argument with you for the purpose of pointing
out that he was simply not picking on Looney because of his beliefs.
That is more true, and more directly stated, than I seem capable of
putting forth. It had nothing to do with Kimmer's or Looney's
Faith...it had to do with my opinion of their choices regarding it.

And, after deleting the rest of a very well written post, I must
resort to sounding incredibly gay here....I love ya, Scott...that was
far better said than I ever could have bluntly said it myself.

Kudos.

Wojo
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http://www.wojo.da.ru
Wojo
2005-01-07 06:22:09 UTC
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Post by Kimmer
Sheesh, I've said this time and time again. I grew up as a
church-going, very devout Lutheran in a very conservatively Lutheran
household, and my family going back a couple generations has used Xmas
as an abbreviation for Christmas. I do know people who see using 'Xmas'
as an attempt to eliminate any mention of Christ, but these people also
fail to understand the symbolism of that 'X'; the Greek letter 'chi',
which is the first letter in their word 'Christ', looks like an 'X'.
Interestingly irrelevant.
Post by Kimmer
Unbelievable. Here I am being accused of making this up. I have given
my documentation for it every year since I was raked over the coals for
it the year I announced my switch to paganism. Amazing how I wasn't
called on it the year before that, when I was still calling myself
Christian. Double standard, anyone? Then again, the people that applies
to probably won't catch it, as has been my experience on Usenet for many
years now. So be it.
Look at my history, Kimmer, and see if you can find a single instance
where I have responded as though I was a Christian. You won't find
one. You also won't find one where I proclaim myself a Pagan. Or any
single religious affiliation you can think of. I've never, not once,
claimed I belonged to a particular segment of a religious society. I
simply post my views. If you have a problem with them you should
address them directly, not fold yourself back in to your basic
defense, which sickens me.

If you feel that the "X" is justified, justify it. Don't fall back on
the same argument, because the song you choose to quote year after
year is well known and the lyrics, unlike your album sleeve, don't
support your argument. I'm not a fan of intolerance...even your brand
which bends toward my feelings.

Nothing you can say will make me feel like "Christ" doesn't belong in
His holiday, but, at the same time, there is much you might say that
might make me question the truth behind the necessity of it.

However, after all these years, I tend to believe that the person
you've deemed irrelevant is, truly, relevant. Jesus Christ had a
significant impact on this world, Son of God or not, and I think
that's worth recognizing.

And his name wasn't "X". Think about it.

Wojo

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http://www.wojo.da.ru
Looney
2005-01-06 19:06:57 UTC
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Post by Wojo
I feel like an old-schooler ABSK'er who simply couldn't abide by
off-topic posts, but I felt I should re-thread this because it's very
personal. I have no problem discussing it publicly because I'm more
than happy to hear other opinions (though the likelihood of that is
rare given that those that might have a clue what the majority of this
refers to have already had an opportunity and declined to speak up
about it).
But I had a very clear point to make in the original thread, and,
though discussing it there could have some bearing on it, I think
because it didn't stem from the original problem it might obscure it.
This is about a recent disagreement between Looney and myself that has
branched from another group. This will, likely, turn into a
religiously based disagreement. And it might, depending on our
responses to one another, get kind of ugly and it most definitely will
be kind of personal. All in all it belongs in email, but since it
didn't begin there it won't end there.
If all of that turns you off, kill this thread.
And now on to it.
Post by Looney
Post by Wojo
Post by Looney
Post by Wojo
For those of you who have been around less than three years, if you
dare to read this long post, expect not to understand it. It's for
those who will.
Oh well, I guess we all can't share in the "miracle"...
I just did something I rarely do.
I read all the posts to this moment in this thread without responding
even though so many of them tried to demand a response from me!
Scott's certainly did, Susie's certainly did, TRACY's certainly
did...all POSITIVE responses. Hell, Sharon called me her "best
friend"...a title I'm definitely not worthy of, yet I didn't respond.
So maybe I'm about to show my ass by only responding to THIS one
tonight. Maybe it's too hard to respond to the good stuff. :(
But I can't help but ask what this means.
C'mon, Woj, don't be so obtuse. You know what it means.
If I was certain, Looney, I wouldn't have pretended I wasn't. It was
a very short post that could be interpreted and/or misinterpreted in a
number of ways. Had I responded as though I "knew" you would or could
have told me I read you wrong. I've been down this road more than a
few times so I gave you the benefit of the doubt. If it turns out my
assumptions were right, we should skip all this diplomatic bullshit
and get down to it. But I wasn't about to pretend I could read your
inner psyche simply by reading the line "Oh well, I guess we all can't
share in the "miracle"..."because that would be opening myself up for
all sorts of things that you certainly have the skill to turn into
something they were never meant to be.
Well, I think I clarified things, or I tried to anyway, so, point taken.
Before it goes on, I know you knew I was over here, having dumped the shield
for obvious reasons, and I hoped that there would be some attempt at meeting
halfway. I was disappointed that there wasn't. That's all. I was a little
sarcastic, but didn't intend to be mean-spirited. Simply melancholy.
Sorry.
Post by Wojo
I know tactics, Looney.
Some might say you invented some of 'em.
Post by Wojo
Post by Looney
Post by Wojo
I'm not going to go all Wojo on you here, Looney, but you, more than a
LOT of people, know where I come from. If your short statement above
is the mini-dis I think it is than it clearly stems from our far more
recent skirmishes which were at one time unthinkable, and which
certainly go against the nature of the post I made above.
It isn't a dis. It's genuine disappointment that our conflict wasn't
addressed. I don't think you realize how much you and Kes hurt me.
And *I* think that that conflict, which occurred elsewhere, has no
application here, since I expressly decided to make this post to AUG,
even though I know that some of the sentences could have been
interpreted to read that the Shield doesn't matter to me, which anyone
who knows me knows that it does.
I addressed this above.
Post by Wojo
But in response to what you're saying: if we "hurt" you, you
certainly didn't make that evident...all you did was defensively flame
the fuck out of anyone who disagreed with you.
You are quite wrong, Woj. I was very very very clear on several occasions
during that thread, even going back to quote your wife's original text that
upset me in the first place. You guys were quite unreasonable.
Post by Wojo
You, IMO, called into
question other people's faith simply because they called into question
your application of your own...and make sure you read that right...I
said APPLICATION. In other words neither myself, my bride, nor anyone
else has ever doubted your faith, just how you have chosen to apply it
to life. There's a pretty significant difference between the two and
I'd be happy to discuss this as deeply and for as long as you'd like.
No, my friend, I questioned nobody's faith. It was my intentions that were
questioned. When I answered the questions, your wife decided she didn't
believe me, and stated what she believed my motivations and intentions were,
in the face of all of my denials.

That's never been what the Shield or AUG was about. If you asked somebody,
"Why did you say that," and they answer you, we've always pretty much taken
each other at face value. She refused, and you jumped on the bandwagon once
she had me on the run. Did I get defensive? Very. Did I go overboard?
Very. Do I regret the depths to which I took the conversation? Very. Do I
think I owe you guys an apology? Hmmm, not really. Perhaps for my
virulence, but not for taking offense to your lack of decency toward me and
your refusal to take me and my explanations at face value. She wanted to be
what she wanted to be, and no denial of mine was going to make a difference.
There's no common ground there to work from, pal.
Post by Wojo
I will say, however, that what my wife has to say and what I have to
say are noticeably different.
Not in this case.
Post by Wojo
I have never come to her defense, nor
she to mine, so if you've come to feel that this is the case, you are
seriously mistaken.
Go back and read the thread, dood. You did just that. I didn't "come to
feel" anything about it. I read it.
Post by Wojo
I respond to comments that I feel are things that
I must respond to, and for no reason beyond that.
And to make it clear, though I may come across as some born again
Christian sometimes because I believe firmly in peoples' rights, I am
not, in any way, a man of god. I don't know what I am, but my stance
on that subject hasn't changed for decades. Though how I feel has
never been clear, not even to me.
Which was never at issue. I think you're misremembering the conflict.
Post by Wojo
Post by Looney
Post by Wojo
If you were misreading my line, I'll explain it: It means that the
majority of my anger in this group seems to stem from things that
happened before a lot of people here had ever even heard of this
group, let alone me. I was simply trying to make it clear to them
that they didn't fully comprehend my actions, even if I was wrong on
every occasion.
Fair enough.
A weak response, I must say, given that this is the statement you
chose to quote in your less than acceptable post.
Dear Wojo, what you deem acceptable in a post is meaningless, esp. in light
of this conflict.
Post by Wojo
Post by Looney
Post by Wojo
However you WERE here, you HAVE been around, and therefore I can't
believe you misinterpreted me...therefore I must ASSume you are the
one person wanting to pick a fight with me in this thread.
No, didn't want any fight. I really thought there would be something there
for me to grab onto, but there wasn't, and I was disappointed, because I
liked the way we were, not the way we are.
And, I don't mean to turn this into a fight simply with the following
statement, but I must make it anyway: What, in my original post, made
you feel that my disagreements with you had any bearing whatsoever on
my desire to make it? Yes, my arguments with you entered my brain
when I was deciding who deserved a post from me for past
indiscretions, because God knows I made some elsewhere as well, but
once I'd decided to post to AUG I don't know how you could possibly
come into play at all, given I've never gone face to face with you
here in all the years of our acquaintance. Therefore your post was so
personal as to be senseless to the average member of the group. You
should have decided to continue on with this in the Shield. I clearly
wasn't comfortable with our monopolizing it, but I'm also not
comfortable with bringing irrelevant shit here.
Like I said above, I hoped you were mending fences with people who had
interacted with you moreso than trying to patch up to a "group." I was
mistaken, and in that, I was disappointed. I still am. I had hoped there
would be some movement my way that I could grab onto, because I valued our
friendship, and still value the one we did have. But in this case, I feel
the first move is yours, and clearly you're in no place to make it. Okay,
not clearly, but it seems to me in any case. I shouldn't be so black and
white about it...
Post by Wojo
Post by Looney
Post by Wojo
Tracy, a
person whom I've not said one nice thing about nor has she said one
nice thing about me in about four years now took the high road.
That's fine. I told the truth about how I felt.
"Oh well, I guess we all can't share in the "miracle"..."
That's the "truth about how you felt"?
It's a dis...a personal attempt to bring a personal grievance into a
place and/or thread it doesn't fit. The only people here who could
possibly understand it are the people that read the group your
grievance originated from. Those people clearly didn't care to get
involved then. Therefore the only thing you're doing here is saying
"fuck you Wojo, I don't care what you say, I still am pissed at you".
And that's fine, Looney, you're welcome to be pissed at me. But if
there's any hope of our working out our ills it needs to be done in a
less obstructive manner than simply posting imperceptible digs at any
given opportunity, no matter how pointless.
How can you be so insensitive and so sensitive all at once? I am pissed at
you, a bit. But I'm really just sad at the state of our friendship.

Here is what seemed clear to me:

You were making amends and patching up things with some folks here.
It was rather unexpected.
I stated my disappointment, albeit unclearly.
Except that you knew exactly what I was talking about. Or you say you did.
It crossed your mind.

So how was my post SOOOOO mysterious?
Post by Wojo
Post by Looney
Post by Wojo
I find it odd that a person that I got along famously with until less
than a year ago took the firey path...the...dare I say
it...UnChristian road.
I told the truth. I expressed my disappointment, albeit unclearly.
Hopefully that is now remedied.
No. It's not. Not even slightly. It's "clarified", if that's what
you were hoping for. I now know that you have been living with this
deep piece of discontent in your belly that was, apparently,
unresolved when you decided to quit discussing it.
I didn't decide to "quit discussing it." I decided to quit hanging around
being called a liar by you and yours.
Post by Wojo
But that's not my
fault, Looney.
Oh, quite, quite.
Post by Wojo
You could have continued discussing it, and if doing
so publicly made you uncomfortable you could have emailed me, but you
did neither.
Are you kidding me? It astounds me that you cannot even begin to ascertain
the level of your and Kes's offense. Moreso the utter uselessness of
discussing it with either of you because you both flatly refused to even
begin to try and see any part of it from my point of view. You started
from, "You're lying about your reasons" and took the conversation from
there. A guy doesn't have a chance...
Post by Wojo
You decided it was easier to live with
resentment...something I can absolutely sympathize with given that my
original post in this thread dealt with my recognition of that very
weakness.
No, it isn't easier, which is why my disappointment was so raw.
Post by Wojo
You chose to attack me, in a minalist way that few would comprehend,
at the first opportunity...and, given my forgiving and
self-aggrieviating state of mind you clearly thought I would treat
this inadequacy with the same value of respect I would treat Tracy,
Cat, or anyone else I might possibly have wronged in the past. But
you clearly didn't find something to "grab onto". Sorry about that.
I'd have apologized to you as well, had you ever given me reason to.
My only apology is that I didn't try hard enough to find a way to
resolve this issue as the friends we once were.
That you most assuredly did not.
Post by Wojo
Post by Looney
Post by Wojo
Not that I was trying to be a good Christian here, because that dude
up there certainly knows I ain't, but you claim to be. I wonder.
Low blow, but what's a few among friends. I'll just wait to see how it
shakes out.
As will I. I actually considered retracting that sentence, but I
truly feel it's adequate as I don't believe your treatment of me fends
well considering your apparently unshakable Christian faith. I have
no problem with Christians, Looney, I married one, but I have a severe
problem with those that disagree with their beliefs and feel that
we're immoral as a result of that. In case you failed to notice I
also made a post against Kimmer's use of the word "X-Mas" claiming it
was in the original lyrics of the John Lennon song, which it wasn't.
I defend Christians as well as non-Christians when it comes to issues
that I care about.
The conflict was not about her beliefs nor about your morality or lack of,
as you may wish to see it. It was about your wife calling my beliefs
unacceptable, my expression of those beliefs unacceptable, and calling me a
liar when I explained my motivation.
Post by Wojo
Post by Looney
Post by Wojo
Wojo
Who will not follow up on responses to this, if there are any, until
he follows up on the more deserving ones. (That's it!! They require
more THOUGHT!)
Hmmmmm...
That, unlike the prior statement, WAS a low blow, but it was a TRUE
low blow. Somehow I find thanking people and/or being nice to people
who said nice things to me or did nice things for me more difficult
than dealing with people who wish me ill will. I know how
dysfunctional that is, and I'm trying to address it. That, of course,
was the point of this post to begin with, but you ignored it because
you were too recently on my bad side.
Fair enough. Sorry if that's too weak for ya.
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Post by Wojo
Shit. I was going to go to bed.
Hey, don't let me stop you.
But, alas, you did. I forced myself to stay up significantly longer
than I should because I was uncomfortable responding only to the
negative post...a weakness of mine I would like to get over. :)
Sorry. Truly. I love sleep.

I've got a feeling none of this will be read well, but I wouldn't continue
the conversation if I still didn't have some hope.
--
Looney
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